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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

China’s leader Xi Jinping declared people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait are Chinese and want peace.

Isn't that pretty much what Putin said about Ukraine before invading?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago

I also don't think it's anything new?

I'm not sure deep into the details of taiwan and china, but iirc they both more or less agree that they are "the china", and just disagree on the exact details

[–] TheLunatickle@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a common scheme, Authoritarian claims people in neighbouring country are ethnically/culturally the same as them, accuses the target country of suppressing "their" people, invades to "Protect" "their" people. Rinse and repeat.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also Hitler called Austrians German before annexing them.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

A common misunderstanding: Putin wants a piece of Ukraine. Quite a big piece, well all of it really.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Idk but I believe the pretext was ethnically “Russian” people living in Ukrainian territories. It is true that the two countries share a great deal of ethnic heritage. The Rus people were from Kyiv.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No it was nothing of the kind. He claimed Ukrainians were basically Russian, that is not about Russian minorities.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think we’re splitting hairs. We agree that Putin is just using the subject of ethnicity as a tool for conquest.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, Putin will use any misinformation and manipulation he can, including making a terrorist attack and blame it on others to promote his agenda. That is how he came to power!

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this controversial? Don’t people in Taiwan consider themselves Chinese? Republic of China?

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, that is only the official line due to history and political pressure from China.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Taiwanese_identity

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're referring to native Taiwanese, which the current inhabitants of Taiwan largely wiped out during their most recent colonization attempt

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am referring to the opinion of the current inhabitants of Taiwan as expressed in opinion polls.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

Ah then, no, they consider themselves Chinese. That's the entire point. Specifically they are both Zhōnghuá and exceedingly few people contest that (hence the referendum trying to rename them from Chinese Taipei failing MISERABLY).

Some polls, especially from CIA-Backed NED Organizations show ridiculous support, but actual democracy in Chinese Taipei shows little to no support for a 'Taiwan' identity. Especially given THEY LITERALLY MASSACRED THE TAIWANESE PEOPLE AND STOLE THEIR LAND.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I imagine the people of Taiwan are also pretty pissed. But that doesn’t matter to you, does it?

[–] voaw@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The “government” of Taiwan is the equivalent of if MAGA invaded Hawaii and claimed that the rest of the continental US was now called Hawaii and ruled by them. The Taiwanese govt is a historically far-right US puppet govt that is one of the biggest supporters of Israel and its genocide. And according to polling in Taiwan, less than 30% of Taiwanese people want independence from China.

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/israel-taiwan-2025/

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They no longer bid for ownership over the mainland. I think that ended in the 90s, so that is just irrelevant. Secondly, your one poll still has the majority maintaining status quo, which in conjunction with the poll I already posted, means the majority of people just want to keep going with what they got, which is currently NOT unified with China. They also consider themselves Taiwanese in a majority.

[–] voaw@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again <30% want independence from China

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

It’s about 25%. Which is quite a lot when the second largest group is just keeping the status quo, no reunification.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I dont think so, what Xi said is objective fact and people of both sides consider themselves chinese

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not sure that’s a fact and it’s crazy that you would say that without any sort of source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement has a different outlook. Putting 50% at independence and a sub 15% wanting reunification. So what do you say to actual facts?

[–] salty_mariner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean... It says otherwise in the article lol

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] salty_mariner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol. Ok. Not my fault if reading comprehension and clicking the links in the article is too much for you.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago