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are we still doing this? Seriously? Blaming voters for the outcome of an election which happened over a year ago instead of coming up with a winning electoral strategy for today?
They don't want to come up with a winning strategy. The winning strategy is cutting ties with the apartheid genocidal regime. But they'd rather lose than do that hence these kind of arguments.
You still think the fascists will just let you vote them out?
Brother she ain't running no more. What are you fucking talking about?
Every president in the USA has supported Israel as long as Israel has been a thing, but none of them before Trump let Israel goad them into starting a direct war with Iran.
Impossible to say definitely, but there's no reason to believe Kamala Harris would have either.
How many times do I have to say it? The party lines are drawn in such a way to distract you from the actual cancer of late stage capitalism. Yeah yeah, "vote blue no matter who". How about "educate your neighbors no matter who" to get some actual fucking change instead if this ridiculous in-fighting?
Another insultingly stupid take of blaming voters for the problems caused by greedy people. THIS VIOLATES RULE 1 of the forum.
Please stop. This is disingenuous trash. No one concerned about Israel said vote for him.
And so, to avoid this from happening again, next time the Democrats are going to propose a candidate that doesn't have that weak spot, right? RIGHT?
Yeah Top Cop over here definitely would have done something about gun violence lmao
Every other day with these same exact divisive bullshit DNC centrist posts. Its almost like a media company running an ad campaign.
Not a coincidence that this shit is picking up on election year.
No we will not accept your Israeli candidates.
So if this is why the Democrat candidate failed then the next candidate they put up won't support Israel since the Democrats will learn from their mistakes? I would like that, but I don't think it will happen. I think the new candidate will be the same as the old candidate and the Dem's will have learned nothing. Pro-business, pro-Israel, soft on regulations, soft on Republican lawbreaking, and corrupt as hell.
the US system is broken, this is what happens when there is only two choices 🥲
So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.
And you don't think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?
Don't get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here...
IMO the bigger problem is that the "average normal politician" managed to be so bad that voters didn't feel motivated to vote against Hitler.
This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between "letting Hitler win" and "stopping the genocide", Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.
Isn't that deeply fucked up?
Can we get the fuck over this pointless nonsense, consign her to history, and do something about what's happening now, please?
I have never heard or read of anybody saying that people should "Vote Trump because Kamala supports Israel" until this moment.

Ok it's paraphrased but like yeah I really felt like she had our backs in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbVPee2UdJk
Again genocide isn't a small thing, Harris also was very questionable on trans issues and extremely pro imperialism and cop.
This is stupid people who didn't like Kamala because the was a genocide enabler weren't saying vote Trump wtf.
And anyway shit's over. This finger wagging told-ya-so bullshit is less than worthless. It's abundantly clear you can still lose to the worst person alive if people don't like you... So maybe force the Dems to run someone decent or make the Dems disappear. You're not gonna shame the electorate into the lesser of two evils crap, how have you not seen this yet?
can we please stop relitigating 2024 all over lemmy right new? everyone's being just as inneffective and useless rn 2026 as they were two years ago. if you're actually interested in doing something about all this awfulness get out into the streets, go to mutual aid projects, train with community defense groupsg and actually do something useful. this is like the 5th fucking thing i've seen on lemmy, from either side of what action should have been taken 2 years ago (ie: vote for Kamala, don't vote for Kamala) and i'm fucking sick of it.
just like i didn't encounter anyone with lemmy's "vote 3rd party, it's the only way forward" political stances out in the real world, i'm not encountering anyone who's still thinking this hard about a day 2 years ago who's actually doing anything to address these problems
It's true.
Democrats are fucking stupid. The voters told you what they wanted, and it was affordability and no more WMD's for Israel, and Dems concluded it was too much to ask.
dems keep losing because they rather suckle on AIPAC'S limp dick than serve their constituents.
Delete this shitty fucking post. Dems put up a garbage candidate, and they lost the easiest race imaginable, for a second time.
The Democratic Party actively courted right wing voters. The left obviously didn't want that, and the right was never going to vote for you anyway. You lost. Get over it. Start doing something actually useful instead of removed and whining.
Anyone with any institutional fealty to the Democratic Party should be so embarrased, they never show their face in public again. But instead, they just punch left, and smugly act like their own failures were someone else's fault.
Anyway, I'm off to go do real activism in my local community, with organizations that actually give a shit about me and my neighbors.
Pretty sure nobody who objected to Kopmala's enthusiastic genocide support voted for Trump
Redirect some of that anger your boss and landlord told you to point left at the party who couldn't come up with a candidate that could beat Trump, twice. Then save a little for all the happy, complacent Liberals who think that a quadrennial choice between "the untenable status quo" and "make everything worse" is a functional democracy worth saving or mourning.
Acting like Harris is an ally for queer people and isn't an imperialist is genuinely out of touch with reality. I get you want to blame people because the "worse" white supremacist was elected, but narratives like this will be used by the Democratic Party to continue the fascism if and when the Republicans lose power. Gavin Newsom isn't intentionally abandoning pro-queer performative politics for nothing.
My handler said it was my turn to post "whatabout kamala" post today.
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You forgot the swastika and the pedobear under Trump.