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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

This is stupid people who didn't like Kamala because the was a genocide enabler weren't saying vote Trump wtf.

And anyway shit's over. This finger wagging told-ya-so bullshit is less than worthless. It's abundantly clear you can still lose to the worst person alive if people don't like you... So maybe force the Dems to run someone decent or make the Dems disappear. You're not gonna shame the electorate into the lesser of two evils crap, how have you not seen this yet?

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I just think the worse thing now is seeing the current lineup of candidates for 2028... shes still there and so are a bunch of others im pretty sure nobody wants.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's part of why I'm being so vocal lately. I am going to vote in 2028, and I am not going to vote for someone who supports Israel. If that means writing in 'The Reanimated Corpse of Abraham Lincoln,' then so be it.

Assuming the Democrats have a primary this time, widespread anti-zionist sentiment could convince some people to work towards getting a candidate on the ballot who isn't a zionist. Harris and Newsom are destined to fail if they end up on the ballot in November. If these "vote blue no matter who" people really want a blue candidate in office, then let's work towards getting a blue candidate that can beat no preference.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ro Khanna toed the line on pushing for Epstein disclosures. That's probably going my litmus test for humans vgoing forward, regardless whether he is permitted to progress

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the neo-liberal brain and rhetoric that's how they have to argue to get you to swallow the poison of the "lesser evil."

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I know many Muslims in Michigan that voted for Trump because Kamala supported Israel...

[–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Duverger’s law, the way the elections are winner takes all makes it mathematically certain there are only two viable options. It’s basic math which people failed at.

[–] MrGeneric@lemmy.today 8 points 3 days ago

You also have to include the swing states having a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence, and the electoral college making small farm states election makers

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which makes it all the more important for candidate not to pull a Harris and try to gaslight voters.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 days ago

When parties are roughly evenly matched, elections often turn on irrelevant or misleading considerations such as economic spurts or downturns beyond the incumbents’ control; the outcomes are essentially random. Thus, voters do not control the course of public policy, even indirectly.

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691169446/democracy-for-realists

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes what you don't say is more important than what you do say. Many on the left were manipulated and used to boost the fascist. Something many to this day are still too sensitive about to acknowledge.

There wasn't Mass coverage and protest that all major party candidates supported the genocide. Only Harris. In all the Zionist and oligarch media, every day it was wall to wall coverage of the people calling Harris out over it. It was legitimately used to launder Donald Trump's image.

The fact that the vitriol and hatred that anyone who pointed this out got back then. And still gets today, proves that many failed to learn the important lesson. While they were absolutely correct to criticize Harris for her support. They were wrong to only focus on her over it. Even if symptoms like trump and everyone in his administration met the gallows tomorrow. These same people will continue to naively allow themselves to be weaponized against the achievable over the perfect. Ultimately getting more symptoms elected in the future, and allowing the Overton window to ratchet further and further to the right. National Democrats are horrible allies, they're unfortunately the best we have.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

National Democrats are horrible allies, they're unfortunately the best we have.

So much so it becomes plausible that they might not actually be allies.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

They certainly aren't. They're not even allies to themselves. But without them we have little hope of getting anything passed. And without us they stand little chance of getting elected. Neither of us would choose to ally with the other.