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As crappy as it sounds.

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[–] Carmakazi@piefed.social 177 points 1 week ago (9 children)

We need an assumed and exclusive right to our own likenesses and fast.

[–] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 139 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We do, AI companies just don't respect it.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 27 points 1 week ago

More importantly, platforms don't respect it. Any malicious outside actor shouldn't be allowed to their malice.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Doesn't even matter. The systems they built for copyright enforcement are absolute shit and easily abused if you have a lot of money, as designed. And with AI added to the mix, it's all automated so none of it will work ad it should and they don't care to fix it. Disney or whoever can just launch constant copyright claims and cripple small IP owners even when they're completely ok the wrong.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

That is the truth.

[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If we all know this why hasn't there been a class action lawsuit, and don't give me the arbitration keeps people from trying. As we have learned with this American administration, do it fast enough that the courts can't respond amd maybe you can force it.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Class action lawsuits happen when lawyers are motivated, not when people suffer.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Beware: AI companies really want to sell a terrible solution to the problem they created.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Didn't Denmark do something along those lines recently?

[–] FrederikNJS@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[–] Sandbar_Trekker@lemmy.today 123 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Misleading title. This isn't an "AI Company". As far as I can tell, it's some scammer that used AI Tools to create similar music and then copyright strike the original artist to steal their revenue.

The major issue here is how YouTube handles these claims. From the article:

YouTube’s dispute process places enormous trust in whoever files the claim, with little built-in protection for independent artists who lack legal resources.

This isn't something new and was already being done before AI tools were available.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago

Same scam as before, just made a lot easier by AI bullshit unfortunately.

[–] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

I remember I like 2007 YouTube removed one of my videos I made of a glitch in runescape because some else also posted a video and they copyright struke my videoto remove it. I made the video, with my character, just showing the same glitch. There were zero resources to fight it.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The problem is not an "AI company" but Google being evil and AI making scamming so much more efficient. I had the habit of using youtube as music player in the background (with ublock of course). This has become incredibly miserable and I finall freed myself from that and rather pay qobuz a decent amount of money from now one, for much better quality and much more money actually ending up with the artists and no scam BS like the above. Oh and also active removal of AI music slop, in case it even makes it there.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 6 points 1 week ago

I think YouTube has a lot of room for improvement but why are people still so ignorant about the DMCA and the obligations of platforms to maintain safe-harbour status? YouTube must take down content on claim or open itself up to being legally liable for all user generated content. This Tom Scott video is still relevant https://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 week ago

I think the most important question is: do they have an address? A flammable one?

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Because YouTube’s copyright claim system operates without individual human review of each dispute

Bots telling bots that humans aren't human...

There's an easy solution to this:

Legislation that requires giant trillion dollar companies actually employ living breathing humans who can perform a task rather than automate it despite that not working and then just not caring.

And people are going to say that's hard...

But all we need to do is pass a single law that says if AI fucks up, the CEO of the company is personally and financially liable because he's the one that ultimately entrusted the task to AI.

Do that, and suddenly corps wouldn't hand everything to AI as intentional incompetence.

If we don't do it soon, corps will just blame AI for everything and declare no one is ever at fault

[–] lmr0x61@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 week ago

An AI can never be held accountable, therefore an AI must ~~never~~ always make a management decision.

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

The system is working as intended

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, the concept of a corporation was created as a consequence dodge to begin with…

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Kind of?

Like a thousand years ago in Italy the concept started.

A guy with a bunch of money, would give a guy with no money and a boat the funds to buy cargo and ship it.

If something bad happened the guy with the boat an no money was liable for the loss of cargo, and wouldn't have the funds to pay, they'd just go bankrupt.

If nothing bad happened, the guy with no money paid back the investor plus profits.

Then it evolved into government enforced monopolies like "East India Trading Co".

Which are more like modern corps, but less like what you're talking about but I'm pretty sure that's what you meant and not the earlier Italian corporations?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think you are missing hundreds of years of progressive corporate lawyering to entrench their business model(s) into our society.

Take the US for example. Originally corporations had to be for the public good, were time limited, and the owners were held directly financially accountable for their decisions.

It took hundreds of years of court cases and lobbying to get to the point where we are now and it is absolutely insane. There is a reason the corporation has become the dominant form of our culture.

[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

no worries, I didn't sign any of those contracts and loans. ai did. get AI to pay it back

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Legislation that requires giant trillion dollar companies actually employ living breathing humans who can perform a task rather than automate it despite that not working and then just not caring.

They do. If you or I submit a claim it will go through the process. They have an automated process for the "big boys" that is not the legal copyright process, but it is faster and cheaper for both - it looks like the process, but it isn't.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd settle for the government prosecuting every false copyright claim as perjury.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

There’s an easy solution to this:

Legislation

Legislation. A famously easy to advance and trivial to enforce solution to any social problem

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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This feels like the kind of slam dunk legal case some law firm would be happy to take on contingency. People will keep doing this if there are no consequences.

[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seriously it seems like the real winners with our current landscape are the lawyers.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can pretty much always assume that's the case with the US legal system. The lawyers always win, sometimes their clients do as well but that's a lot rarer.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The lawyers always win

Not always

Steven Robert Donziger (born September 14, 1961) is an American former attorney known for his legal battles with Chevron, particularly Aguinda v. Texaco, Inc. and other cases in which he represented over 30,000 farmers and Indigenous people who suffered environmental damage and health problems caused by oil drilling in the Lago Agrio oil field of Ecuador. The Ecuadorian court awarded the plaintiffs $9.5 billion ($13 billion in 2024 dollars) in damages, which led Chevron to withdraw its assets from Ecuador and launch legal action against Donziger in the US. In 2011, Chevron filed a RICO (anti-corruption) suit against Donziger in New York City. The case was heard by US District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, who determined that the ruling of the Ecuadorian court could not be enforced in the US because it was procured by fraud, bribery, and racketeering activities. As a result of this case, Donziger was disbarred from practicing law in New York in 2018.

Donziger was placed under house arrest in August 2019 while awaiting trial on charges of criminal contempt of court, which arose during his appeal against Kaplan's RICO decision, when he refused to turn over electronic devices he owned to Chevron's forensics experts. In July 2021, US District Judge Loretta Preska found him guilty, and Donziger was sentenced to 6 months in jail in October 2021. While Donziger was under house arrest in 2020, twenty-nine Nobel laureates described the actions taken by Chevron against him as "judicial harassment." Human rights campaigners called Chevron's actions an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP). In April 2021, six members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that the Department of Justice review Donziger's case. In September 2021, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights stated that the pre-trial detention imposed on Donziger was illegal and called for his release. Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Donziger was released on April 25, 2022

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

I was expecting that to end with him killing himself with two bullets to the back of the head

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Which lawyers? Clearly Chevron's lawyers were able to absolve all their liability so they definitely won.

Furthermore, Chevron extracted close to 30 billion dollars of petroleum and left an environmental disaster behind. Chevron even counter sued and was awarded an addition 3 billion in damages that was reduced to 220 million for Ecuador daring to try and hold a US corporation responsible.

Not only did Chevron prevail they continued the harassment of Steven keeping him under confinement for years and preventing him from practicing law.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago

The legal system is designed to benefit the rich and big business.

Same goes for the copyright system.

Both need to be abolished and replaced with something that serves the people.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

On what grounds? Google's terms of service say they can take down anything they want for any reason. If someone starts a copyright case you can go go court, but all this is carefully/legally designed such that there is no downsides to "mistakes"

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[–] Einhornyordle@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something something YouTube's copyright system is still broken af and easy to exploit. I wonder how much more abuse it takes for YouTube to finally do something

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Beginning to think copyright has become a tool of the plutocracy to harass and dispossess the working class.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

🌎👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

Yes, but this is like the kid that already had 4 different gaming consoles getting another one. It's not like they are short on tools.

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Oh damn, I love Murphy. Sucks to she her getting targeted by AI scammers.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

That fabricated music was then distributed across platforms using a company called Vydia.

Definately not Leather Jacket Man of nVidia...

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Given the current media, copyright, and business environment, why haven't we seen this kind of reverse-piracy pursued as a deliberate business model? Buy some IP rights cheap from YouTube "content creators" who have given up, use your AI-powered robot to find vaguely similar stuff from creators who are still working, and copyright-claim it all?

It's pretty evident there would be no downside.

Maybe small YouTubers should get together and create such a business, just to force the system to change. Make copyright claims against Paramount, CBS, etc. Make them barely plausible. Make thousands of them, from behind a rotating cast of shell companies. Make AI-powered, trust-the-claimant style copyright claims unworkable. Hey, it's just the free market regulating itself.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Copyright claims are under penalty of perjury - you can go to prison for making them in bad faith.

What Patamount/CBS/etc are doing is not a copyright claim, it is a backdoor google has given them - but not you - that lets them bypass the legal process and get things taken down - but if they are wrong there is no legal issue for them. From the outside it looks exactly like a copyright claim, and in spirit it is - by legally it is not a copyright claim in important ways.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

It is a business model: patent trolls'.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I've seen this before. The great copyright battle continues, companies vs. peoples...

[–] 5715@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

It's primitive accumulation and enclosure all over again

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

IP laundering

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