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Nintendo's Switch 2 got off to a roaring start but demand has started to sag, particularly in the US. Where are the big games to reverse this?

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[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Amazon UK have just discounted the Switch 2 form £499 to £385.

[–] entwine@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Nintendo needs to get humbled every couple of generations.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like it it’s just too damned expensive for what seems to be a minor upgrade from the switch. I mean the main differences are power, storage, display, and controller design and since my switch sits in the docking station and we use external controllers most of those are negated.

I haven’t seen a game that would justify it at this point.

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And if you play docked you don’t get much out of the added power for the majority of games. You can get a few upgrade packs (some of which cost money) and a small number of games that require a Switch 2. But otherwise the main difference is better load times.

For handheld they just recently fixed this with a new handheld boost mode where Switch 1 games run in some docked mode simulation, so handheld players do get better performance and resolution out of a Switch 2 (in some cases significantly, there are some Switch 1 games that are borderline unplayable on a Switch 1 in handheld mode). But only as of a couple weeks ago. Literally the feature every handheld player wanted out of a Switch 2, and it took them this long.

Switch 2 has several games that would've pushed me to buy it. Mario Kart World, DK Bonanza and Pokopia all look like I'd enjoy them a lot. I just can't afford it.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And one day the whole world was priced out of everything. Forgive our corporate overlords for they know not what they do. (Just kidding, they know).

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

But do they? It seems like most are very short sighted and opt for immediate gains as opposed to any long term growth.

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why would I spend that much for a system only to play the same games I've already played on five other fucking systems? If you look at all the games you can play on switch 2 right now nearly all of them are from previous generation consoles.

And if that's not bad enough, they charge full fucking price for the remakes too. You want to play a game that came out 15 years ago on the Wii? Well get ready to pay 60 fucking dollars for the privilege of paying for the same game for the third time.

Oh but you wanted to play in 4K? Cough up another $10 or $20 for the switch 2 upgrade.

Nintendo is smoking some serious fucking crack when it comes to the pricing of their shit.

Fuck all that. Get a steam deck or similar machine that can also play PC games and can emulate anything from the switch one or Wii U.

I recently almost purchased a switch 2, but after seeing the pricing structures and the lack of new original titles, I said no. I'm currently playing breath of the wild in the Cemu emulator at 4K on my TV at 120 FPS with all the bells and whistles including surround sound using the gaming laptop that I purchased 2 years ago. Game plays flawlessly and fully supports my dual sense controller that I already own. Saved myself a ton of money.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm rooting for the demise of what Nintendo currently is, but this isn't so much of a story. They had lofty projections for sales and manufacturing to make sure that they could meet demand, they've met that demand, and it's high. This is revising one quarter's production down from 6M to 4M. It's still doing well for them.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Right? They specifically set out to make sure it wouldn't be scalped to hell and back after repeated complaints.

They did that, and now the product is real, and market predictions on existing products are much more reliable. The initial production wasn't sustainable but wasn't meant to be sustained, either.

[–] catalyst@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Agreed, this feels like making a story out of nothing for clicks.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Just look at this comment section, it's popular to hate Nintendo. It's mostly justified, but this story isn't.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I’d love to get a Switch 2, but $500 + $70/per game is just too steep for me.

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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People ain't got no money.

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[–] AWizard_ATrueStar@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a long time Nintendo fan since the NES, Switch 2 is the first Nintendo console (except Virtual Boy, I suppose) that I did not go out and purchase day 1. I still have no real interest.

I like physical carts and the idea that a cart is really just a license key to download a game is a no-go for me right from the start. $80 games. So heavily tied to the online account that any ban, accidental or otherwise, effectively bricks the console. No games that interst me (other than Metroid, which I just bought for Switch 1).

Add all that together and I don’t know if/when I will ever get a S2 at this point. Maybe in a few years second hand. We’ll see.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Same boat. Nintendo fan since the NES, this is the first one I don't want to buy (I even had a Virtual Boy, although I got it cheap on clearance). The quality of their games has dropped while the cost of their games and hardware have gone up exponentially. I'm sure I'll play the good games they release that I missed eventually, whether via emulation or a cheap used one MANY years from now.

[–] OnfireNFS@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

My favorite part of the steam deck is how I didn't have to pay to "upgrade" the games I already own.

Oh and how I didn't have to buy my game library again

[–] Errorcode7@programming.dev 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Games costing $70+ is a giant turn off for me with that console. I would like portable cyberpunk, but I'm not buying that several year old game for $70

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I played cyberpunk on my steam deck - it's my only device. I picked it up on sale for £22

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's why you buy a Steam Deck instead, pirate Cyberpunk and be able to play it with mods for much better performance than on the Switch 2. Plus, you can pirate a shit ton of other games. Proton on Steam Deck has come a VERY long way.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

buy a Steam Deck

Yeah, not really an option now, unless you want to pay scalper prices.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Nintendo definitely learning the wrong lesson from this:

  • The Right Lesson: Maybe we shouldn't released an expensive console, with only a handful of new games and tons of repeat releases that are $70 (and suck) especially in a really bad global economy, and some of those games dont even have a real physical copy, and stop treating our fans like they are literally Hitler because they are passionate about our products.

  • The Wrong Lesson: People must not want powerful hardware and physical games anymore.

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[–] Caesium@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

personally, I've been hesitant to buy because Nintendo is willing to brick consoles for people using 3rd party software. otherwise, I'm just waiting for splatoon 4 to come out to buy it. I can wait for an emulator for anything else :p

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

The value proposition just isn't there. Much more expensive for better performance and... pokemon pokopia? There aren't any games really taking advantage of that increased performance that I am aware of. My switch 1 still works. I'd like better performance, but not for $500

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My Switch Lite with Diablo 2, Brotato and Balatro will last me till heat death

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's why most people I know got the switch. They got it in spite of bad performance to play older 3rd party games on a portable, social format. Can play with friends, on the bus, on the couch. Don't really need better specs to do that. Even hardcore gamers may own a switch to do that - the appeal and accessibility is very broad.

The nintendo games are largely just a bonus, imo. They're very expensive and I personally wouldn't seek them out if I didn't also own a switch. If I had kids or was a kid that'd be a different story, probably. The modern legend of zelda games, mario kart, and super smash were great though.

A bunch of the other nintendo titles were fun, but many of them feel weirdly like mobile games with way more content or something to me - hard to explain, but they don't feel like $60 or $70 games (to me). Something to do with the repetitive gameplay loops, visual style, and design built around levels rather than exploration/open world. Animal crossing 100% feels like less of a game than the gamecube version did - more repetitive, basically the same appearance, feels less complex.

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[–] Willoughby@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They've half-assed every game since BOTW. The systems aren't the problem.

[–] Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Willoughby@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago

The fact that it runs above 20fps in some areas on a Switch 1 is amazing.

[–] ISolox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Nah there's definitely bangers that came out after BOTW.

They're definitely greedy with these upgrade prices though.

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Wasn't it the fastest selling console, at least for some time? So many people who wanted one will already have one.

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The switch 2 costs considerably more in the US than elsewhere thanks to the tariffs. That tax is going to suppress sales no matter what, and there are other economic pressures that harm most people's buying power as well

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (11 children)

it doesn't, in fact the switch 2 seems to be cheaper in the us than anywhere else (except maybe japan)

msrp is 450$ usd in the us, 630$ cad (458$ usd) in canada, 396£ (530$ usd) in the uk, 700$ aud (487$ usd) in australia, and 470€ (545$ usd) in france

i don't think the tariffs are having much of an impact, or more likely nintendo is charging everyone to cover them

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Keep in mind though that US prices don't include VAT, whereas in most countries they do. But you're right that it's not significantly more expensive in the US, it's pretty similar to other regions.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Expensive console + $80 games - decent amount of games = Fuck Nintendo???

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago

My friend has been liking his but even moreso misses the Steam Deck he had stolen. And now can't replace.

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I loved my Switch but wasn't planning on getting a 2 due to cost of device and new games. I was gifted one for Xmas, and while I enjoy it, outside Mario Kart (that came with it) I haven't found a new title made specifically for S2 that I wouldn't buy for the other consoles or PC. I'm just playing some older catalog stuff, or games that I would prefer on the go. There's no new Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, nothing 1st party to keep driving a console. It boggles my mind they didn't have more 1st party lined up for the first year of launch

[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pokopia, Bananza? It’s better than PS5 launch imo

[–] cheat700000007@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Bananza feels so pointless, pokopia is the first thing so far that feels worthwhile.

Meanwhile ps5 launch had demons souls, and was the high end thing so multiplats made sense there like cyberpunk and asscreed Valhalla.

Ultimately; they're both sad launch lineups

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[–] jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

You can, and should, just get used to downloading games for free on an open device like the Steam Deck or just a regular PC/gaming laptop.

We need to stop giving power to the companies that only use it to take advantage of us.

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[–] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There aren't enough appealing Switch 2 games at least for me, the price should go down and I rather wait for that EU model with easier battery-swapping.

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