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The State Department has slashed by about 80% the fee for Americans to formally renounce their U.S. citizenship.

After years of legal battles with several groups representing Americans wanting to give up their citizenship, the department on Friday published a final rule in the Federal Register that reduces the cost from $2,350 to $450.

The new fee, which took effect on Friday, had been promised in 2023 but had never been implemented. The cost is now the same as it was when the State Department first started charging Americans to formally renounce their citizenship in 2010.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

It's almost like they have the perfect confluence of things to encourage brain drain:

  1. Put idiots like Bobby Brainworm in charge of health so they can do battle with proven science.

  2. Cut funding of science way, way down. I mean really, letting a complete poseur idiot like fElon decide things like that? WTAF.

  3. Unleash regressive dumbasses to do their worst xenophobic bullshit.

Seriously, someone needs to demonstrate how everything Donvict's crime wave is doing to this country is not a wishlist of the likes of Russia.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 8 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

If you were born in the USA, still live here, have no other citizenship and drop the $450 to renounce - what happens?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Part of the requirement for renouncing is (or at least should be) that you have established citizenship somewhere else. Otherwise you would be considered stateless, which causes all kinds of problems.

I say “should be” because the US is one of the few attending countries that refused to sign the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness

[–] Mataresian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago

I don't think you can, there are some conventions around this. https://www.unhcr.org/what-we-do/protect-human-rights/ending-statelessness/un-conventions-statelessness

So unless you have a second one the conventions prevent them.

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You must declare taxes even if living abroad

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You must file, but the US has reciprocal tax treaties with many countries, which allow you to deduct any taxes you paid in your home country. So if you paid $15k in taxes in Spain, you would be able to put that towards any taxes you owed in the US.

Of course, you still have to actually file your taxes in the US. Which is a massive pain in the ass, because the US tax code is kept intentionally convoluted so people will feel the need to pay for tax software. The tax software companies literally lobby congress to keep the codes complicated. In most other countries, the government basically just sends a mailer that says “hey here’s what we have on file. Let us know if you have any corrections.”

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

You can use https://www.freetaxusa.com/ while it's still available. Even if it doesn't support all your cases you can at least get started.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Tempting, though I'd rather they do the work for me

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's like they're daring me at this point.

I don't want to leave this country. I was born here, my dad was born here, my dad's dad was born here, etc. But, holy shit, this society is failing. It's not failed, yet, but it is failing. I want to believe that things can turn around, but it gets harder everyday to hold onto that belief.

It's especially hard because I feel like my proposals for how things could be fixed are actively, aggressively being fought against by many of my countrymen. Hell, we can't even agree on the problems, let alone solutions. For a lot of Americans, there is no problem! This is all hunky-dory.

A nation is a shared idea. A nation exists when a group of people all agree that they are a nation. I ain't in the same nation as these folks. They've got their idea of America and I've got mine, and they are two different things. I'm not a part of the shared idea anymore. It's moved away from me. It's become something that I don't understand or agree with. I don't think it's moral or rational, or sustainable.

Frankly, I think the idea of America as a nation, as it stands right now, is doomed to fail. It's far too tolerant of greed, ignorance and liars with malicious intent. A society like that won't last. It will collapse.

[–] Klox@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's frustrating living in a state that is pursuing good values, and then we vote federally and lose to morons. What can I do? Move to these shitholes? There's a lot of possible improvements to the system, but we need to cross a threshold to get over to get that done and IDK if we can. I have young kids and grapple with uprooting them. The next couple of years will be very telling.

[–] JaymesRS@piefed.world 8 points 6 hours ago

{Awkwardly laughs in Minnesotan.}

NGL, I have thought far more frequently lately to move to Canada or see if Canada will adopt the whole state.

[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago

Nice. As an American living in Spain, this will be nice when the time comes. Now, if I could only speed up my citizenship here so I can file sooner.

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 59 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

For any dual citizenship person, or someone who happens to have been born there, and living outside the US, that sounds like a great deal. And no longer having to deal with US tax every year. It's the only country who taxes you as a citizen living outside the country - for a country founded on their abhorrence to "taxation without representation", they sure do a lot of it.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 hours ago

Come on, someone has to make up for the taxes the corporations aren't paying

[–] hector@lemmy.today 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Income taxes were unheard of in the revolution too. The feds weren't in everyone's business, by design. Just tariffs and duties and such for money. In the civil war they started income taxes, then cancelled them after the war. The restarted them in wwi, and kept them since.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Income taxes were supposed to be temporary when they were implemented.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 4 points 6 hours ago

There's no limit to temporary. I'm sure they'll drop out soon!

[–] parsizzle@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago

According to leading astronomers, the sun is temporary too

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 3 points 6 hours ago

Projection. The most represented class is the most undertaxed - the wealthy and the corpos

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, it's not the only country. There's one other.

[–] jif@piefed.ca 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

"But wait, there's more!"

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 hours ago

holy fucking trump! I could have left the country and renouced citizenship for free before 2010? ugh I so wish I would have studied abroad when I was young.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Off subject a bit, but I just heard Rubio lied about his shoe size to the president that's been handing out free shoes everyone feels compelled to wear, and that he's been wearing those oversized shoes because he was too vain to be honest.

Fuck you Rubio.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Looks like it really might have vanity for Rubio:

As Vice President J.D. Vance recalled at an event in December, the Journal reported, he was meeting with Trump, Rubio, and an unnamed third politician in the Oval Office when the president accused Vance and Rubio of having “shitty shoes.” Trump asked them all for their shoe size; Vance made sure to put in the record that he’s a size 13, while Rubio claimed to be an 11 and the third man a 7. The president then launched a sideways insult at the guy with the daintiest feet: “You know you can tell a lot about a man by his shoe size.”

That the “locker-room talk” president would place an inordinate, genital-related premium on a man’s foot size was surely no surprise to Rubio, who has risen in GOP influence in direct proportion to his willingness to contort himself to Trump’s exact desires. It does not seem out of the realm of possibility, then, that Rubio would inflate his own shoe specs to impress Trump with his masculine bulk.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

What I read was that Trump has been guessing the shoe sizes and people don't want to correct him.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

~~pass~~ did not read that properly seems like a deal for Americans

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on treaties. If dual citizenship is allowed and tax liability is reciprocated then it could be a waste of money. But also I'm unsure whether you can ignore tax reporting and travel through the US on a foreign passport after they revoke your US passport.

If you want to go from Europe to south America you're almost certainly passing through a US hub, at least by air.

Insane you have to pay for the last interaction you have with the US

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Insane you have to pay for the last interaction you have with the US

That's capitalism for you

[–] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes. It is. Free would be better, but this really helps.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 hours ago

For real. Wake me when they're paying - in cash.