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[–] mech@feddit.org 36 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 18 seconds ago) (2 children)

"If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down."

That's shortened to the point of being useless and leaves out the parts that actually matter.
First of all, there are black grizzlies and brown "Black bears" and the sizes of the species overlap. It may be hard to identify a bear that's coming at you.

Here's what you should do: Carry pepper spray whenever you're in bear country!

When you encounter a bear close up, stand still, take out your pepper spray (or anything you can use as a weapon) and start talking to it calmly. Let it know you're a human and neither aggressive nor afraid. Ask it how its day is going.

If it backs down, you walk backwards slowly till it's out of sight, then find a different route.
If it stops, advances or charges, you stand still, facing it. Don't run or climb a tree.
Most charges are mock charges where it'll stop before you.

If it doesn't stop and gets within 20 feet, shoot your pepper spray, which was shown to stop 95% of bear attacks.
In the other 5% fight for your life. Aim for the nose. Good Luck!

Lying down might sometimes be better if it's a Grizzly, depending on its motivation to attack you, but there's no way you can know that. Chances are, after its first slap you're lying down anyway.

Source: worked as a ranger in British Columbia

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That’s not what I would call „talking calmly“. Not even asked how his day is going!

But I admit the „you should be sleeping“ got me.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Just want to add, because as an outdoorsy guy in Pennsylvania, I'm a little dumbfounded by how many people seem to think we might have brown/grizzly bears in our neck of the woods.

There aren't. If you're reading this, odds are pretty good that you don't live in brown bear country, because you're probably in an English-speaking country, and just going by numbers you're probably not in the parts of western Canada, Alaska, or the tiny part of the Continental US (mostly just Yellowstone) where they can be found.

Everywhere else in North America it's black bears (or polar bears, but I really hope you don't need help identifying those, and maybe a handful of grizzly-polar bear hybrids)

If you're in Europe you have brown or polar bears.

If you're in Asia, you have a few species with a bit of overlap- brown, polar, panda, sun, and 2 or 3 other species I don't remember off the top of my head.

If you're in the Andes, you got spectacled bears.

If you're anywhere else in the world, read the sign by the cage because you're in a zoo.

Also, I have never encountered a black bear that didn't immediately fuck off the moment it noticed me. There are certainly bolder ones out there, and you should always take any reasonable precautions, but when I'm camping and hiking, bears are basically at the bottom of my list of concerns, squirrels, chipmunks, mice, etc. generally rank higher, I've had chipmunks try to get into my pack while I was sitting there watching it.

All my years of camping I've had exactly 1 incident with a bear back when I was in scouts, and it happened when we were all away from camp, it got into a box of cookware, and I suspect it probably immediately scared itself away when the pots and pans went clattering everywhere.

[–] mech@feddit.org 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

My experience with black bears as well. They fuck off as soon as they see you.
Grizzlies seemed more annoyed, like "Why's there a human in my woods? I just wanna chill."
So depending on their mood, they'll usually check you out, maybe try to get you to fuck off, and failing that, grudgingly walk away.

I actually missed the number one protection against bear (and cougar) attacks in my post:
Have a hiking partner and talk to them. Or doing to yourself.
That reduces the chance of even encountering a bear by a lot cause they hear you coming and avoid you well in advance.
The drawback is you won't get to see a bear.

Our bear safety trainer actually said step 1 in a bear encounter is: Take out your camera.
It puts you in a more reasonable mindset, cause almost no encounters lead to attacks. And you can take some sweet pictures.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 3 points 8 hours ago (3 children)
[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

I had a friend from the UK who planned on biking across Canada (never happened). He asked what animals he should be scared of. It wasnt the bears. Its moose.

They look goofy as fuck, yes. But they can be aggressive for seemingly no reason and fuck you up real quick. Theyre big, heavy, strong, and have a fucking weapon strapped to their head.

Do. Not. Fuck. With. The. Moose.

[–] bobbosr2004@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

A moose bit my sister once

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 0 points 2 hours ago

Mynd you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti...

[–] mech@feddit.org 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Find cover. A big tree or big rock.
Use your small size and better maneuverability to keep the cover between you and the moose.
Move from cover to cover to create distance.
If there's no cover, run like hell. Moose are faster than you, but they often stop after a short distance.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Heard that, run (hopefully for cover)! Thank you, and I hope never to utilize that knowledge

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This reminds me of a story from a friend of mine who lived in Canada...he sent me texts with his car completely fucked in the middle of a two lane highway with no other cars or trees around... I asked what the hell did he hit, his response is that a moose had crashed into him, got up and just left. The entire passager side of the car looked like it had been smashed in by a big truck.

That was the day I learned that a moose is something you do not fuck with.

[–] mech@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

A bull moose weighs up to 1600 pounds and is designed for repeated frontal collisions with another 1600 pound moose.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 0 points 2 hours ago

Title of your sex tape? There's a joke in there somewhere...

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 62 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

If you need help look for a cop.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Only works if you're a richwhiteman.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No you got it backwards, you look for a cop and then go the other way before they see you

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Hence why I posted it as an answer to the inquiry "What survival myth is completely wrong and can get you killed?"

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

You'd never find one of you went looking over here, I've not seen a cop on foot or parked up in YEARS. Only ever see em driving somewhere. Strange.

When I spent some time in the USA though it was creepy, they'd drive their cars around real slow, just watching you, and they're everywhere. It felt weirdly oppressive/threatening to have them always around the next corner, always over your shoulder....watching o.O

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[–] 667@lemmy.radio 32 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The brightest star in the sky is not the North Star (Polaris). If you follow the brightest star in the sky you will follow a planet and travel some curved path.

How to really find Polaris:

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Cool, now how do I find those thingies?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

Live somewhere dark enough and gain pattern recognition

[–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 26 points 11 hours ago
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

I always struggled with that, too, until my cousin taught me to use Cassiopeia. The other constellations use way too complex of shapes and require accuracy, and they're not super-bright.

Cassiopeia looks like a W or M. Look for 5 dots that could possibly form an ugly W where the left side is wider and more shallow than the right. It'll genuinely stand out like this.

Cassiopeia

There it is!

Cassiopeia identified

Now, mentally draw a straight line across the tips of the shallow side of the W. Then, draw a straight line through that starting from the bottom of the shallow side. You'll get something like an arrow shape. Keep following that perpendicular line away from the W until you find something nearby the line that is noticeably bright. That's Polaris!

Cassiopeia markup

After you find that, you can confirm you found the right star by looking for the dippers and shit.

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[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Is you're lost but someone knows where you're supposed to be it's probably better to stay put.

Also moss can grow on any side of a tree.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 2 points 4 hours ago

Its wrong to stay put?

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 26 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

Drink alcohol to stay warm.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Drinking your own pee will end up dehydrating you faster, contrary to how confident Bear Grylls is in it being a decent strategy.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

I think Bear Grylls has a fetish and managed to fool people into thinking it was a survival skill.

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