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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Personally, I think a UBI-based society can do education better. Everyone should receive a UBI income by default, but working a job or being educated will replace the UBI with a larger amount of money. Grades for learning boosts income based on how good they are. An S-Grade student gets twice of what UBI brings in. 'Real' jobs start at twice the value of the S-grade student.

This means that students can go to college and get paid for it. While the prospect of the workplace can be alluring in a fiscal sense, a college student can stay in college for as long as they need to git good, to be fulfilled, or simply to pass time while waiting for a decent job opening. They aren't held hostage by debts.

Kids also get paid for their grades. This encourages them to learn, because there are material rewards for doing so.

IMO, fiscal responsibility is a skill that is learned, and in America, we don't teach kids how to handle money. Instead, they get the bulk of their fiscal learning when it is almost time to be kicked out of the nest. Which is dumb.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ok but if the government is spending all that money on its own citizens then how are they going to fund their hobby of blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 35 minutes ago

the politicians will also get UBI. Maybe they can pool their funds together and get the party started

Your IGN score is a 7, you see the game has many flaws. Your IGN scors is also a 7, your game is well made and optimised, with great plot elements and good graphics.

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 hours ago

Now ask, what a student should get, who did their assignment but only got 30%!

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

And what if they try and get <50%? This means the system is promoting those who invested nothing and don’t even try.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

This would've been a godsend to me tbh. I was really bad about completing buzywork homework assignments but I paid attention in class and already understood the material. In high school I'd ace every test and wind up with a C or worse because of the number of missing assignments, it wasn't even intentional, I just frequently forgot about them because they weren't interesting and probably because of some kind of undiagnosed neurodivergence. Of course, there are also kids who might struggle to complete assignments due to complicated home lives.

I don't think making an incomplete count as a 50 is really making grades meaningless. A 50 is still going to hurt you, it just doesn't drag your grade into oblivion. If a student gets 100 on three assignments and misses a fourth, is a grade of 75 really the most accurate representation of how well they understand the material? Counting the incomplete as a 50 would make that an 87.

Sprinkling in zeros can really drag your grade down and can make it feel like your grade doesn't really have much to do with your understanding of the material, and has more to do with being willing and able to work outside of school hours (or to just copy down answers from a friend five minutes before class, which I also didn't do).

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Rather than giving students points for not doing assignments why not just not have busywork assignments. Just make the grades an even 50% tests and 50% large projects unless the student needs their busywork graded.

I was in the same situation as you (except I did wind up diagnosed with ADHD in my 20s). I aced all my tests and never did homework so was constantly on the verge of failing classes. I always hated having to do the same repetitive memorization busy work when I already knew the info. The best teacher I had in highshool had a rule where they would only ever grade your homework if doing so would improve your overall grade. So because I did well on the tests, in class work, and biger projects I never had to actually do any homework. It's the only class I ever scored over 100% in because I aced every test and did one extra credit project. Why the hell should anyone have to waste their time doing pointless busywork and waste their teachers time grading that pointless busywork when it isn't benefitting their learning in any way. If the student doesn't need it then just skip it. The only reason I can see for it is to desensitize students to doing pointless busywork jobs but we should be eliminating those jobs not conditioning the next generation for them.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, although tbf some people struggle with tests and for them homework brings up their grade, and it might help some people learn. But I 100% agree that it ought to be optional and shouldn't be able to tank your grade if you demonstrate an understanding of the material.

I can sympathize with people who work hard and still score poorly on tests. But if someone's a quick learner and they're motivated by learning then naturally they're going to put in less effort once they understand the subject, and making grades a reflection of effort rather than understanding feels unfair to people like us.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. Like I get that some people learn slower or some even just have a mental block when the word test is used even if they know the material. So for them homework is important. But if it's not actually benefiting a student then why punish them for not doing it? The system my one teacher had where homework wasn't graded unless the grade would help your overall grade seemed to work really well but it could probably be improved a bit because it did primarily just benefit those who were good at tests.

The best solution would probably just be something along the lines of having the grade be made up 4 point pools; tests, projects, classwork, and homework. Then just have the overall grade for the class be an average of the top 3. As long as you're doing well in 3 of those pools then you clearly know the material. Some students struggle with homework for already stated reasons. Some students lock up on tests even though they know the material. Some students have a disruptive homelife that inhibits their ability to work on larger projects. Some students have health or family issues which frequently keep them out of class. With this solution, none of those students would be punished for one of those issues alone provided they can still demonstrate in the 3 other areas that they know the material.

[–] smh@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

tbh, it probably also benefitted the teacher because they didn't need to grade as many papers and may have benefitted the other students because they may have gotten more targeted feedback on their homework (because the teacher had more time)

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The problem is students are awful at knowing what assignments are busywork assignments, and every one of them thinks they're experts. I tell my students "You don't have to do any of the assignments, but make sure you understand what's on there before you decide not to - I might ask you later." And almost without FAIL, every single time I ask a student who didn't do one about one of the questions, or ask them to demonstrate one of the skills they were supposed to be practicing, they can't.

Most daily assignments are neither hard nor time consuming if you know how to do them, which is why the students who DO do them eagerly are actually the ones who don't need the practice. The ones who don't want to do them usually want to avoid them because they are difficult for them, which are the students who need the practice the most.

I'm not saying it's a great system - but it has its reasons.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Exactly. It also gives students the ability to improve and not just give up.

Let's assume 10 assignments determine your grade in a class. You completely skip the first 4 assignments and get 0%. If you completely turn around and score 100% on the next 6 assignments, your overall grade is 60% and you fail the class.

But! If you were the student who skipped the first 4 assignments, what incentive do you have to even try and improve?

The 50% score is to give students without hope a chance. If it's college level, sure maybe failing is the best option. But high school? Middle school? Even younger? Give kids a chance to improve.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is by design. MAGA wants kids to be stupid, only stupid people vote MAGA.

"I love the poorly educated" DJT

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 4 hours ago

You are the only person 🧵 that pointed out the fact Grading is authoritarianism, and not education. For education we mentor, assign three tier groups (Highschool, Middle, Elementary), and rate by topics learned, and topics that require improvements. Number go up teaches nothing about “bad people in power abuse your freedom.”

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Can I have 50% of my salary for doing 0% of my work?

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

False. They get much more than 50%.

[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

And they work hard, it's not easy thinking of bigger numbers every month /s

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Are they discworld trolls per chance?

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I think the whole idea of grading kids like they're show dogs is pretty gross in the first place. "Welcome to the world, kiddo, the first thing you need to learn is that we're here to judge you, and if you don't bark on command you will be deemed to be a failure."

Fuck that shit.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it's sort of preparing them for the real world.

Once they finish school it's not like people won't immediately start judging them and labelling them as failures if they can't compete / keep up.

If you don't change society before changing the school system you aren't really doing the kids any favours by sheltering them.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 4 points 6 hours ago

School is the real world. It's just their world, not yours. It's where they spend a huge fraction of their day and year. School needs to be a livable place regardless of what comes after. "Preparation" if necessary at all, can come at the end or be taught explicitly instead of implicitly.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 46 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (7 children)

Speaking of disservice to kids in school, I recently learned about the "Three-Cuing" system and how it is basically making kids less literate by having them simply guess the meaning of things they don't understand instead of teaching how to read context, subtext, and use critical thinking skills or basic phonics.. It kinda pissed me off. Especislly since I had already been noticing a trend of young people online putting words into others' mouths or defining words wildly differently than the norm and misunderstanding the entire thing they just read.

[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

... Suddenly I think I understand why a some things with very specific meanings are getting redefined by younger folks who call you names if you don't accept their new definition.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

Three cueing peaked in the 90s.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Do you have any examples? I’m genuinely curious if this goes beyond youth slang into reshaping the language.

[–] sinadia@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

I have a theory that the people who think having Ai make a summary of books were taught ‘three-cuing’ and thus, cannot actually read.

Incidentally there’s a really interesting podcast about teaching reading in the US, called ‘Sold a Story’. It’s wild how kids were supposed to somehow magic up the meaning of words.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 12 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

I heard about this too, and it's so insane.

I saw an article recently about Mississippi (and/or Alabama?) 4th graders beating out California and New York on reading, and many were crediting that the state mandated phonics over this "take a guess" nonsense.

[–] tenacious_mucus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Am I reading this correctly? MS (and/or AL) having a better reading education system than CA & NY with this?? Wow.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (7 children)

Yes! MS went from 49th to 9th in like 10 years. Most people are crediting it to phonics and their willingness to hold students back if they don't learn the material.

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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Your logic is very aesthetic.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

COVID fucked up my kids education so badly they are still trying to catch up. They were in 3rd and 4th grade in 2020, so they lost those prime reading comprehension lessons. But at the same time the schools failed to catch the students up and now they are struggling and instead of helping them they just push them along and pass the buck to the next grade.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

If your kids are fucked up so badly that they can't handle the next grade then they shouldn't be in the next grade. Who cares if they graduate high school at 18, 19, or 20? None of that matters anymore. But you got to be right for your own kids and hold them back if they need to be held back. If you think the school is doing the wrong thing then you got to step in. Don't just let it happen and complain on the internet.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It is infuriating seeing Parents complain that schools are simultaneously doing too much, and too little for children. Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

It reminds me of another thread on here from weeks ago where someone made a meme about ignoring their kids when they talk about their interests. What the heck? Why did you have kids just to ignore them?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

When people stop understanding child care and education is everyone's job societies collapse

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[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

My son was in 8th grade, he lost prime socialization time. It really pains me to see him struggle to make social connections now.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 5 points 11 hours ago

I'm really sorry to hear that. I think a lot of parents are in the same boat, and we're going to see the effects of it for years.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

After following a friend who joined XHS after the initial tiktok ban a year or so ago, I started to notice this trend of Chinese people calling American education "happy education" and I bristled a bit because I didn't find it all that happy. But as I see more and more people point out things like this, how the No Child Left Behind policy was implemented, how resources are diverted away from actually educating children... I kinda get it.

To be fair, I think the Chinese also have a biased lens here since their school days are like twelve hours long, I'm sure 7 AM to 3 PM seems more like daycare in comparison. But I think there's some truth in the mockery.

This doesn't apply to doctoral programs which really just seem like abuse and trauma factories. I don't know a single happy, well adjusted doctor.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

China kills themselves for schooling and does as well as Americans in business and science so it's hard to see one being better than the other.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

We should just keep trying systems that push everything to the absolute extremes. It’s worked out for every other fallen civilization. Why should we be any different?

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

currently have a stack of students' academic records on my desk, the state of grading in the U.S. is just insane. I hate GPA with a burning passion. Very talented kids burn themselves out over a number that might as well be set arbitrarily, because schools do some very fucky math to inflate their numbers, and they all seem to do the math differently. Why do they do this math? Well, it's because they're allergic to giving out grades lower than a C, so their entire scale would cease to function if they didn't heavily weight different classes over others. It's like a tower of self-caused problems.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 6 points 11 hours ago

It really should be more standardized, or else schools are just going to find reasons to cook their books.

Remember last year when San Francisco schools were going to adjust their grading scales so much that they could pass students with a D if they scored as low as a 21? Pure insanity. (They fortunately received a lot of backlash and reverted the change)

https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public-schools-equity-homework-2078003

[–] stinerman@feddit.online 8 points 12 hours ago

I'd have had a 4.0 if i got a 50% for not doing my work.

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