AI generated password? What kind of brain rot idea is that, god damn. Do these people need to ask AI to breathe for them?
I can also generate a password for them while running 50 toasters and flushing the toilet a bunch if they want.
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AI generated password? What kind of brain rot idea is that, god damn. Do these people need to ask AI to breathe for them?
I can also generate a password for them while running 50 toasters and flushing the toilet a bunch if they want.
Just noticing: there's 0 evidence in article that anyone is doing this. I just don't buy that this is happening enough to matter. Interesting as interpretability research at best
why. dafuq. would someone use an llm to make a password.
Because the techbros are pushing AI (really LLMs, but that is too many letters) for everything to justify their insane stock valuations
"here's what to use instead"
...the same thing we always have been? Keepass or other password managers with randomly generated passwords?
My brother you can literally slam your face on the keyboard to get a password. Why would you ask an llm' to do it for you?
I'm pretty sure there's an algorithm somewhere to solve for face to keyboard password generation.
Let me ask ~~ChatGPT~~ Claude
Why does everything have to be LLM, like why cant things sometimes just be algorithmically generated like my AI-free password manager does?
I wonder if there's AI-powered password managers on the market now lol. If so and if customers, I would mirror Zuck's snide "thuh dumb fucks" setiment when people trusted him
ZXCVBN algorithm has never failed me
I remember the days before hardware random number generators, when pseudo random number generators caused fuck ups by not actually being random. Now people are re-inventing the stupid way of doing it with AI.
It blows my mind hackers still found ways in with just that one fuckup
There's AI-powered everything now for no reason other than because when they slap those two letters on it, their stocks go up. A lot of times there's not even any AI involved.
I remember CES 2022 when derb8uer found these "AI PC cases" and when he asked about why, they said "because you can put an AI PC in it". And that's when I knew it was a bubble. Because that's the kind of shit that happened with dotcom. Companies slapping "dotcom" on their names and their stocks would skyrocket for no reason.
Stox go brrrrr
I always say I'm not interested in asking an LLM to add 2 + 2 for me. Of course my managers are always pushing us to use LLMs and coworkers keep suggesting we replace efficient, testable, and consistent processes with AI. If you're going to use it at least think of scenarios that are hard to code for and it would take you at least 10 min to solve.
It's worse than just using a new tool though. By definition LLMs use the statistically most likely option (with minor variation for flavor). People are literally asking a statistics bot what password can I use that is the most likely?
That's a good point: it's not just that LLMs fail to give you an optimal password, it's that they're inherently designed to give you a pessimal one.
I was gonna say that. They gonna give you a recycled pattern
I mean, like, what is an effective/"good" password if not an unrecycled non-pattern??
But…but Magic Box™
While “routing” of prompts between specialist models and traditional APIs does offer more efficient and reliable outputs, it also
A. requires more elbow grease than one massive generalist model, and
B. doesn’t help you avoid paying API licensing fees by obfuscating their outputs into the blackbox weights of your proprietary model
It just seems like a password manager is an infinitely better tool. Like to the point i severely judge and question the sense of someone who seeks to reinvent the wheel for something so crucial
Oh for sure. I was just answering in case you wanted to know.
Future versions of AI tools will likely use routing to do a variety of tasks more efficiently and accurately. But until then? It’s a jinn to those who would wish away every single chore they lack the patience to comprehend including, unfortunately, information security.
Its honestly crazy to me. I have it down to such an art that Incouldnt imagine giving up my unilateral control or sole custody of that data
Why does everything have to be LLM
Not everything is, it's just Lemmy is obsessed with them so you're going to see it come up a lot
Unfortunately it's not just Lemmy. Corporations are obsessed with LLMs as are a lot of the people working for them. I daily get messages and meetings about LLMs in one way or another and it drives me nuts because it keeps interrupting actual work. In the span of like two months it went from something that was mentioned maybe once in the last year to be 90% of what everyone is talking about.
which dumbass lets LLMs generate their passwords?
If someone I knew told me they asked an LLM to generate their password, I would no longer talk to that person.
What do you mean. Why would it be a problem that my password is the most statistically likely sequence of characters in the world? And that the password is stored in plaintext in a chat log? And used for training LLMs on password conversations?
I just set my password to hunter2, no one will ever figure it out.
I just use the same combination that I have on my luggage
What is that? All I see is *******.
Let me test that
JsfJhdYhb57'j4++€€djF
Shit 😩
Don't put a quote mark in your password! I learned the hard way with password'drop table users;'
/S
Wait, was this because you too had a student named "Robert'); DROP TABLE users;--"?
Me! Me! Me!
dumbass
That was uncalled for 😞
Why would anyone... Who the fuck is using glorified autocomplete to generate a random unique password?
Anyone that stupid deserves the breach and any company that integrates that moronic idea deserves the blowback.
It takes a five line Python script to generate a secure password. But no, let's waste a gigantic amount of energy to have a slop machine do it very badly.
Even less lines if you're ok with it generating the same secure password every time
Bet I can do it in less
import random
password_length=10
letters = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789-&@$?!*#%"
print(''.join(random.sample(letters+letters+letters.upper()+letters.upper(), password_length)))
If you inline password_length and letters, you can bring it down to 2 lines
Sure. The five lines are just for readability.
golfing is fun! I do everything in a single line
LLMs are predictive text machines. Focus on "predictive". Of course they will not output random text.
Note: not fully deterministic though - they need (pseudo)randomness at few critical points to be good
How did we manage to move almost completely away from Pseudo-random password generation, only to come straight back to it via LLMs again.
People will really just shove these things into anything like they're a bloody panacea, when really they're just extremely well-trained parrots.
AI is a scam bruh... snap snap wake up unit 242... clap AI clap IS clap A clap BUZZWORD... like the biggest techbro scam yet. It will be ok you are just watching the boat sink as the economy shrinks like ol donald dumpy dick. You better tell him he is pretty or he will end the world. Waymo admits that its autopilot is often just guys from the Philippines
**Crapitalism tricked your arse again. **
Is there a link to the actual study?
AI is like going into the kitchen and telling the chef how to cook. A time waster, fear monger tactic by scared middle mangers afraid they will get replaced if they don't adopt and push it. When dumb dumb yankkkee land is done fucking around they are still gonna need people, they just want to pay you low wages. You are now the bottom bitch. gotta keep these workers in their place by running off of fumes. Reinvent the wheel as a square and beat me silly with it.
AI is perpetual motion machine on the planet WASP-127b .....which is no vacum. You worry about the memes as the crapitalist crush your dreams. A debt you will never pay with a shrinking economy. AI did not take your job... your job doesn't exist... the epstien class takes a weee in your cornflakes thats why they taste like piss. A magic trick... your fear of accepting slop... It was already slop and your job was already dumb. Circling the drain as the rich play their games. Self reinforcing Exponential feed back loops on a road to no where, on tracks coming to an end. AI is a sloppy dumby drag net that paints with broad strokes... lower the bar cut the coke, the people at the top are stupid jokes. You are bound by thin treads of silk...