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Surely it's a misunderstanding and it has nothing to do with his politics? He's MAGA in case anyone was wondering, a huge Trump defender. Anyway, whenever I tell Grandpa (who I live with) that I want to see the world or go to Germany or Norway on a school trip, or see Norway when I get older with my dad perhaps, he says "Why can't you just stay here?" or "Why can't you visit this country first?"

Then he goes on about how people speak English in America and in Germany and Norway, they speak other languages when I want to learn another language. I want to be fluent in my second and heritage language Norwegian and in German, which I will hopefully become a polyglot in English, Spanish, German, Norwegian and Toki Pona by 2029.

Also, I've told him that I know several monolingual English speakers who went to other non-English speaking countries like Mexico, but he still won't listen and help me save up. (I don't have a job yet and I'm only 15).

Not only this, as much as I love him due to him being family, I don't love his views. He doesn't really like immigrants due to his thinking they all can't speak English. If they speak accented English, he still tells them to "speak English". Maybe he doesn't want to "BECOME the immigrant" (in quotes, because well... we're not Native). Also, I will forever not understand people's hatred towards immigrants and their desire to embrace their home culture in a better country.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 7 hours ago

You're not going to find a rational, well reasoned, explanation. It's just emotions. Fear, pride, shame. Most people are too cowardly to do any difficult introspection, and an older person who's probably never practiced it is a unlikely to start now.

[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Reasonably well traveled American here. 10 countries over 5 continents as of this comment.

You should go and see the world. It's an amazing experience! I think wanting to learn more languages is commendable and I hope you do. But even if you don't, don't let that stop you from traveling. English is widely spoken, especially in the service industry. And translation apps, while clunky, work well enough.

Your Grandpa doesn't sound like he wants his mind changed. I say that partly from what you said, and partly because I know the type. And it's hard to convince anyone who isn't interested in changing their preconceived notions. Which is sad, being stuck in a box of his own making. I can understand you wanting him to see it the way you do. But if you can't, that's not your fault. And he can't hold you back unless you let him.

[–] Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Surely it's a misunderstanding and it has nothing to do with his politics? He's MAGA in case anyone was wondering, a huge Trump defender

You've answered your own question, and don't call me Shirley.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Assuming the Grandpa watches Fox News / OAN / Newsmax, they've sold him the lie that immigrants are taking their jobs and going to ruin the middle class, meanwhile it's they who are having the middle class vote against their interests, gutting healthcare, breaking up families, dissuading workers to unionize, etc. Basically this politically cartoon:

"Careful mate... that foreigner wants your cookie!" meme

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 hours ago

More accurate version:

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago

He's scared of everything he doesn't know.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

Modern conservatism is based on fear and hatred of the 'other.' "Immigrants" (brown people with accents), gays, 'wrong' religions (mostly those practiced by brown people with accents), etc.

Your grandfather is scared of them, and hates them for making him scared. It's rooted in racism and phobias. No justification from him will change it.

As you get older, you will have the option to agree with him, ignore his behaviour for the sake of family harmony, or aggressively reject his beliefs - which will potentially mean rejecting him. Choose wisely, and keep your compassion alive.

[–] arockinyourshoe@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe he doesn't want to BECOME the immigrant

Is he Native American, by chance?

If not, I've got some news for him.

[–] BeckyStjerne@nord.pub 8 points 11 hours ago

You're right, this should be in quotes

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They don't understand this point unfortunately.

[–] gigachad@piefed.social 1 points 10 hours ago

I think OP edited the post after this comment. The commenter suggested he is not "native" as in native American. So the irony is, the granddad is technically an immigrant himself. That is why OP added the quotes and the extra info in parantheses

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 hours ago

He’s been groomed to be terrified of American cities, let alone other countries.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

The speak English to those that speak with an accent can come about because some people have a very hard time with accents. Especially as they get older. My mom has a very hard time understanding a someone from the Middle East who is speaking English. It’s not that she is racist it’s that’s she older and her ears are wearing out. My dad is the same way. My mom is more patient when dealing with people who have a strong accent. My dad… less so.

I worked with my dad and got him to understand that it’s not that they aren’t speaking English… it’s that they have a strong accent. I at least got him to stop saying “speak English “ . It’s a small step.

My point is: talk to your grandpa and see if he has a hard time understanding the accent.

The rest of it, ask why he doesn’t like travel. Is he afraid of crime or what is it. Maybe you can show him the truth

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As a monolingual English speaking American with Norwegian heritage... You MUST go and visit.

I've been 4 times in 10 years. I've connected with my distant cousins.

Tell Gramps to "get bent".

[–] BeckyStjerne@nord.pub 8 points 11 hours ago

That's amazing! And Norwegians speak excellent English, I've heard!

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

he says "Why can't you just stay here?" or "Why can't you visit this country first?"

Just straight up ask him why. He may not have an answer he wants to vocalize, but it puts him in a position where he may have to try internally.

A lot of fear of immigrants comes from the fear of the unknown, which likely corresponds with his fear of you traveling to foreign countries.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Scrolled way too far to find this. Depending on how well traveled OP is their grandpa might be saying, "there's tons of cool stuff much closer to home, why not check that out first?"

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 8 points 10 hours ago

Conservatives often have two key defining characteristics that they build their entire belief system around:

A lack of empathy, and a fear of "other" individuals and cultures.

These lead to a whole host of outcomes, and vary by individual. When it comes to travel I often see it expressed in how vacation is viewed.

Many conservatives I know view vacation as being 100% about them - relaxing, eating their favorite food, seeing their favorite sights, doing their favorite things. They do not care about leaning about someone else's experience or culture because they cannot empathize with them, and the xenophobia means they're scared of how to even broach the subject.

[–] tortina_original@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

To sum it up - Americans are cowards.

Sadly, current events just reinforce that reality even more.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Travel is annoying and everywhere has a weird smell.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Also when you come back home after being gone a while, it smells weird there too until you go nose blind to it again.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Right? Going somewhere is bad and it ruins coming home.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

he goes on about how people speak English in America and in Germany and Norway, they speak other languages

They do speak other languages. However, 88% of Norwegians seem to be fluent in English. The percentage is less in Germany, I think about 25%, but that's still enough people that you could get by, particularly in the tourist areas.

[–] ryrybang@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Pappy votes MAGA. So it's very likely that the Norwegians and Germans that know English have a better grasp of it.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago
[–] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] devolution@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Your grandfather is a useless mouth breather. Sorry.

[–] Levsgetso@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] devolution@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago

Yes it is. Pretending like Maga are human just ignores the last 10 years. They should be isolated and shunned.