It's so odd it took the Tories decades to lose support, and Starmer manages it in just a couple of years.
I am surprised Labour is not sacking him posthaste.
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After the locals.
Need him around to pin that disaster on before switching.
With no obvious successor, an internal party system that doesn't support habitual back stabbing like the Tories have, and a public that is more split than two royal brothers on whose fault all this is, it is going to get messy!
Labour are going to throw so much **** over the next six months, they'll still be stinking come next election.
Oh, and I also believe the reason they've collapsed faster is all the frustration that built over ten years and wiped out the Tories just got transferred to Labour.
People voted for change. and like confused freddie mercury fans, they got Status Quo and they didn't want that.
Yeah. Labour seems to have gotten as far as knowing they needed to talk about change to win the election, but seemed not to realize they had to do something about it after they won.
To be fair to them, it must be really hard to understand the need for change if you are a posh member of parliament. What's wrong with the status quo? Look at all these people licking your boots! /s
I think its because in many ways the 2024 GE was a vote against the tories rather than a vote for labour. Coupled with that labour haven't really been that big a shift away from the shit people are tired from the Tories with has lead to a cratering of their fairly limited support.
I'll absolutely buy into that logic. But why would they take such a huge lead and just throw it out like that? They should have realized that their policies stink, no?
From what I've listened to, the right faction of the party are keeping Starmer to prevent the left faction from replacing him.
Sounds like tossing the baby with the bath water...
When Labour first won, they made some great changes and everything was going well until they started throwing disabled people off of busses and shielding private water companies and it got to the point where I was like - wtf happened.
I don’t even know who they think they’re serving.
behind reform
We did it Patrick! We saved Britain from the 2 party state
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Both The Green Party and Reform want to get rid of First Past The Post as a voting system and are pro-Proportional Representation, but I'm sure only one of those parties will implement it if they win the next general election outright.
I don't trust reform to follow through with that. Fascists only need tonwin once...
what @zwerg@feddit.org said; my point is that having reform be one of the two new parties isn't saving britain at all, and they are going to ruin britain with fascism.
Personally I don't think this political polarisation is a good thing
The Greens apparently want to "immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons, cancelling the Trident programme" which I think is the wrong move when Russia poses such a big threat to Europe. China and the US could pose threats in the future. Nukes deter those big powers from invading the UK. We could also work with our allies in Europe to try and create a nuclear deterrent which covers all of Europe.
Then on the other side you have Reform who want to blame brown people for everything, and I think that's also a wrong move.
Nobody wants to invade the UK, neoliberalism has already sent everything worth taking elsewhere.
What the UK needs more than anything is to decouple from the anglo world empire. Y'all have the technology and the population to have a high tech economy and a high standard of living, but as long as America treats Great Britain as an aircraft carrier you don't have the sovereignty to actually fix the problems that were brought on by Thatcher, Blair, et al. I'm not even talking about full communism here (although that would be what I support if I were British), I'm just talking about creating a social democracy powered by a bit of redistribution, pulling money out of opaque financial instruments and investing in actually making things that the world needs.
Now that said I don't necessarily think the UK should give up its nukes, they're an unfortunate necessity in the world we live in, but the Greens are the only ones offering a coherent vision of economic and political realignment. It isn't enough - social democracy isn't enough - but it's a start.
I don’t necessarily think the UK should give up its nukes, they’re an unfortunate necessity in the world we live in
They might well be. Also yes, I think the US treats the UK as a bit of a lapdog. I think the UK should do more to partner with European allies. Europe together has more bargaining power than the UK alone. Europe together has more leverage than the UK to say to the US "actually we're not doing what you want us to do".
I think the Greens are right to oppose very wealthy people who just want to accumulate more wealth and power at the expense of everybody else. But I don't think I agree with them if they want to “immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons”.
Whilst I can see the benefits of a nuclear deterrent, I do think there's an argument for scrapping the Trident programme as it relies on US support. If there's an alternative that makes us less reliant on the US, I think that should be explored.
Sure it would be good to reduce reliance on the US, e.g. by replacing Trident missiles with British missiles for delivering nukes. But that web page from the Greens I linked to talks about intending to "immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons". I think the UK should keep its nuclear weapons for now, while exploring a future possibility of non-American missiles to deliver them.
bruh you all live on an island you'll be fine. Stop being a murderous imperialist and disarm. Your rotting social services need the money.
I don't want the UK to murder people, or create a new empire. I think keeping British nukes makes sense though. If the UK and France both gave up their nukes then I think Russia would probably increase their invasion of Europe. In the future China and the US might try to take parts of Europe too.