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Personally I don't think this political polarisation is a good thing
The Greens apparently want to "immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons, cancelling the Trident programme" which I think is the wrong move when Russia poses such a big threat to Europe. China and the US could pose threats in the future. Nukes deter those big powers from invading the UK. We could also work with our allies in Europe to try and create a nuclear deterrent which covers all of Europe.
Then on the other side you have Reform who want to blame brown people for everything, and I think that's also a wrong move.
Nobody wants to invade the UK, neoliberalism has already sent everything worth taking elsewhere.
What the UK needs more than anything is to decouple from the anglo world empire. Y'all have the technology and the population to have a high tech economy and a high standard of living, but as long as America treats Great Britain as an aircraft carrier you don't have the sovereignty to actually fix the problems that were brought on by Thatcher, Blair, et al. I'm not even talking about full communism here (although that would be what I support if I were British), I'm just talking about creating a social democracy powered by a bit of redistribution, pulling money out of opaque financial instruments and investing in actually making things that the world needs.
Now that said I don't necessarily think the UK should give up its nukes, they're an unfortunate necessity in the world we live in, but the Greens are the only ones offering a coherent vision of economic and political realignment. It isn't enough - social democracy isn't enough - but it's a start.
They might well be. Also yes, I think the US treats the UK as a bit of a lapdog. I think the UK should do more to partner with European allies. Europe together has more bargaining power than the UK alone. Europe together has more leverage than the UK to say to the US "actually we're not doing what you want us to do".
I think the Greens are right to oppose very wealthy people who just want to accumulate more wealth and power at the expense of everybody else. But I don't think I agree with them if they want to “immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons”.
Whilst I can see the benefits of a nuclear deterrent, I do think there's an argument for scrapping the Trident programme as it relies on US support. If there's an alternative that makes us less reliant on the US, I think that should be explored.
Sure it would be good to reduce reliance on the US, e.g. by replacing Trident missiles with British missiles for delivering nukes. But that web page from the Greens I linked to talks about intending to "immediately begin the process of dismantling our nuclear weapons". I think the UK should keep its nuclear weapons for now, while exploring a future possibility of non-American missiles to deliver them.
bruh you all live on an island you'll be fine. Stop being a murderous imperialist and disarm. Your rotting social services need the money.
I don't want the UK to murder people, or create a new empire. I think keeping British nukes makes sense though. If the UK and France both gave up their nukes then I think Russia would probably increase their invasion of Europe. In the future China and the US might try to take parts of Europe too.