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Well, that’s sad. But I respect it. Rather see projects popping in and out as people have the motivation and time and passion, than ending up with some soulless corpified thing that has 100% uptime and 0% community ownsership.
The decentralised nature of fedi means this actually works. And, to be honest, I think after feddit.de instances have started having better succession plans in place. Which is great.
It was my server before joining piefed. o7 in chat. love and respect to ridoku for running the server.
"For a hot minute it was honestly great but eventually all that remained was tankies propaganda and depressing news. And probably a few non-political communities that sadly don’t really offset it for me."
I'll never understand why someone would go through the trouble of starting an instance and then tolerate nonsense on the instance that they (again) literally own.
The entire point of the fediverse is decentralizing power. So why are you making it worse for yourself abiding by someone else's rules? Did it occur to him that maybe his users don't want tankies and depressing news either?
I get that keeping the engines running is thankless work a lot of the time but damn, don't make it harder on yourself because someone else (who is not you) wants to use your thing that you pay for and maintain to force their propaganda onto your users.
I believe it's more about the Fediverse as a whole, not the instance they were running. No instance is an island, and all that - we don't have enough activity for a thriving community on our own, so we have to pick-and-choose who we federate with. Too closed and the community dies. Too open and you can become overwhelmed by bad faith actors. At some point, it may be that you just decide that you can't find the balance, or that the balance isn't attainable in your position.
It's a thankless job, being an unpaid admin. I absolutely sympathize with Rikudou_Sage's position.
I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance "dies" when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don't think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there's no instance or comms with the correct 'balance' of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don't see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don't get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
Maybe I'm missing something?
the dull mens club folk tend to be pretty nice
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren't particularly "uplifting". Like, I'm not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I'm into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.
Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.
On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
This got an LOL out of me. But seriously! admins! Ban them folks if you find them annoying! It will make Lemmy more attractive!
Thank you, captain!
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what's to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you're trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn't lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don't get it but they do exist)... they'll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
The problem is that its not just "tankies" but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don't like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn't like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It's not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can't tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.
No instance is an island
They could make it an island though... That's what the software helps you do, if you want. Just defederate from instances your userbase doesn't wanna see
we don’t have enough activity for a thriving community on our own, so we have to pick-and-choose who we federate with. Too closed and the community dies.
I’ll never understand why someone would go through the trouble of starting an instance and then tolerate nonsense on the instance that they (again) literally own.
Totally guessing here, but I think this comes from wanting to be fair and open about content.
Everyone always complains about censorship, eco chambers, and freedom of speech. So I could see someone being very tolerant and allowing lots of content on their server.
Users also harass moderators and post about them on yepowertrippinmods, so allowing shit probably saves them some harassment.
It seems to take a specific type of person to be able to run a server. They can't be too nice. They have to have a clear line in the sand.
I sometimes (maybe more than sometimes) 2nd guess myself. "Am I being too sensitive?" "Did they really mean it like that?" "Was I too harsh?"
read it as lemmy.world first, i was getting ready to pack my bags
And here I was really excited to come to the comments and look for the "nothing of value was lost" post
Oh..... I read it as that yesterday when it was announced..... Shit this brings me great relief, thanks fellow lemmy.world-er!
Just keeping this here as a small archive, i could have written this post myself tbh
https://lemmings.world/post/41938713
Hey there everyone!
It’s been a nice run, but all good things come to an end as they say.
This nice thing comes to an end on Jul 2nd, 2026 which is when the domain expires and I’ve decided to not renew it.
It’s been a nice run and I’m grateful to all the active users of our small Fediverse home!
click here if you're interested in the reason
As for the reason for this decision, it’s because Lemmy and the Threadiverse in general didn’t turn out into what I envisioned it would be.
For a hot minute it was honestly great but eventually all that remained was tankies propaganda and depressing news. And probably a few non-political communities that sadly don’t really offset it for me.
I was pondering on keeping it running even if I don’t really use it that much anymore, but then Hetzner announced a significant price change (and you can bet that Lemmy is an unoptimized resource hog) which is not the reason on its own, but the proverbial last straw.
So yeah, that’s it I guess. I promised that if the instance ever goes down, I’ll let everyone know with enough time and I believe I managed to do it.
I’ll maintain the instance until it expires and I’ll keep on moderating it of course but it’s probably a good time to start looking for a new Threadiverse home.
Yet again, thank you very much to everyone who has been part of this instance! And to many of the friendly admins of other instances!
Is there a way to backup instances or transfer ownership, so this doesn't keep happening?
Technically that is possible, but a) people who know how to run an instance rarely want to be responsible to run a second one, and b) there are some legal issues with personal data transfer (under GDPR), meaning members would need to agree individually to the transfer and those that do not agree (in time) would need to have their personal data deleted before the transfer.
agreed, we got burned by ee vanishing sorta overnight, and the content kinda disappeared from it, because people decided to scatter to other platforms.
I wonder what the domain costs? It'd be cool to redirect all of its traffic to Piefed, maybe feddit.online or maybe just the piefed development landing page.
'Hey could you maybe transfer this important established server to anyone else?'
'Nope! Fuck yourselves! <3'
Transferring it to someone else isn't that simple. I mean, I guess it can be if you're willing to hand it over to some random stranger with zero vetting.... and then hope they don't do anything malicious.
Ideally, you'd want to hand it over to someone trustworthy. That takes work.
There may be legal questions, but also, they mentioned that the price of keeping it running was a factor.
The thing about transferring ownership is that price stops being your problem.
I mean there may be legal questions about transferring ownership.
As for price, the question then arises - who is offering to pay for it?
Maybe if you reach out to the admin, they'd be happy to transfer it to you. I don't know how these things work or the admin's opinions. But the admin saying "It's been good guys, but it's too expensive and not what I hoped for, so I'll keep it up for this last lease period and then let it go" is hardly a declaration of "Go fuck yourselves, I'm just burning everything down"