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Ah, AM4.
At 10 years old, it's still the platform that keeps on giving.
And I'll be running it for at least another ten...
Still runs everything well, so why not?
Economic growth. The government needs us consuming more so that they can create jobs, that's the entire goal of inflation targeting.
Ha, that's the funny part. They could have kept pumping out AM4 and taken market share slowly over time while making normal money, making normal jobs, but noooooo line must go up every quarter. So we instead got new products that are twice as much money (when ddr5 came out) that are less stable and not much better, and then to make line go up more fuck selling to people lets all do AI bullshit instead. And now we are in a world where now there is no current viable product, less jobs, and less money people are willing to spend on things that cost 5X what they should.
I'm running an AM4 Ryzen 9, with 64Gb of DDR4, and the thing cooks. AM4 is just great.
I've been happily sitting on my R5 2600x for so many years now lol. My MB is an MSI B450 Pro Carbon and it can easily handle a 5950x or 5800x3D or whatever.
Add another 2x8 gb ddr4 for 32GB total and I'll be seeing some insane performance relative to what I'm already happy with, which will last me another 5 years easily unless the mobo dies.
It's really insane how well designed AM4 is.
The way things are going we're going to need ddr3 mobos.
Been running an MSI motherboard, gpu, WD raptor, and haswell cpu since 2015-ish. My only regret is that I got the "K" version of the processor for overclocking, which lacks the VT-d extensions needed for virtualization goodies like gpu passthrough.
I still got mine with 32GB of ram. I will wait for it to appreciate in value and sell it to buy a house
Just bought an asus maximus vii with 16 gig ram and core i7 4790k used for 140 euro. it was top of the line in 2014, and will hopefully last the kid as first system until prices come down. but prices are ao shitty
DDR4 is cheaper than DDR5, sure, but retailers have jacked the price of both by the same percentage, so it's not really all that much of a rescue.
I expect people will need a full mortgage to pay for DDR6 when it comes out next year.
And they called me a madman for spending months tuning the CO of my 5800X3D to its limits and also OCing my 3200 mhz Crucial Memory to 3800 Mhz. It seems this setup will stay with me until DDR6 arrives. I hope the prices get back to normal by then.
I don't think there will be a DDR6. I think the AI bubble is going to pop & all these data centers will become "mainframe centers" that your minimum spec'd home terminal connects to to do all the computing for you on "Our lightning fast multi-core super computer with terabytes of memory!"
😐😭🤮
I doubt it. Those AI computers are built in a really weird way and have a lot of hardware that isn't really useful outside an AI/HPC context. Some stuff like the weird card to card network topology can be reconfigured but the rest of it can't easily be. The servers are rather agressively designed around keeping as many GPUs fed as possible making them kinda weird for other jobs. Those datacenter cards are missing enough video hardware (for example texture units) to make gaming hard and I'm not sure there's that much consumer demand for linear algebra accelerators. If they can't find more HPC jobs they may go under. Movie studios could have interesting opportunities here but they are still primarily using CPUs in all their software IIRC.
The clusters in the UAE and Saudi Arabia might be repurposable for nuclear weapons research which isn't great.
I don't know, if you want them to last I'd ease up on the overclock.
This is cool. I just hope game developers also get on this bandwagon. We could use a 4-year moratorium on increasing minimum system requirements.
not gonna happen with GTA6 releasing soon
Is it?
I feel like I could have raised a family in the time between its supposed release date and now, and it's still not out yet.
Wat good is a board of there's no memory? AM4 has been happily humming along for years too, why is MSI special now?
DDR4 isn't as much a part of the memory shortage, though that seems to be shifting because DDR5 is jacked up. They're pulling a solid for consumers by releasing a cheap motherboard where memory can be gotten, or giving a transition for users with older components.
yep
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
ddr4 looks to have doubled in price but ddr5 is up 5x
The problem with this is that companies were winding DOWN DDR4 production before AI bought all the DDR5 RAM. So if no one can get DDR5, attention will shift to the already dwindling supply of DDR4 aaaaand... well, prices are already up and it's not going to get better.
There is existing DDR4 in existing machines that can be scavenged that would otherwise probably just be thrown out. I understand that secondhand memory was an industry even before the surge, remember reading a recent article about some California company that would strip servers of old DIMMs and sell them, mostly to China. The CEO was being interviewed, said that sales had surged recently.
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I don't think that these guys are them, think this is a different California company doing basically the same thing, but illustrates the point:
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I mean, I've thrown out old DIMMs. Wasn't worth my time hassling with trying to resell them. But if they're worth enough due to price increases, it'll increase the number of companies who are willing to go to the effort to recoup some of the value of the DIMMs. Companies can buy them, re-certify them, and sell them.
Obviously, that's not an unlimited supply, but the window in which it's of increased interest is probably only something like three years, so it doesn't have to last forever (or even fully offset the shortage to make sense to do, just partially-mitigate it).
The scavenging is making it more difficult looking for a SFF PC on fleaBay. More and more listings say “no RAM/no SSD” and the ones that have it are barebones or far more expensive. Even laptops are heading that way. Yuck.
The RAM I just bought last week was 4 times the identical purchase 14 months ago.
You sure it's not part of the shortage? Who's making new ddr4?
That's why I said "as much". Since DDR5 went crazy, people started buying DDR4, which is driving the price up, but still only at a 2x increase vs 5x for DDR5.
Hence, the release of this motherboard.
If they have RAM from an older build that can be reused with a newer mobo and cpu then it could be a significant upgrade.
Fuck this I'm going back yo freedos.
Best games are DOS games bitches!!!!
I've been playing a lot of Doom recently and I used to run that on an old 486. People just kept on making free wads for that for like 35 years.
I know it’s not DOS per se but just getting into Caves of Qud and MAN I’m loving it.
Sticking to DDR3 until society finally collapses , I am also building a nice ddr2 build for super cheap that still runs all my physical games collection!
i thought ddr4 production was shutdown, are companies still making it or is this until that supply runs out too?
It's still running. I submitted an article last month about how Micron was buying a facility that had actually just opened quite recently and was apparently producing DDR4 to refit it to make HBM; faster than building a new memory factory from scratch.
Its wild to me on how little the actual need for ddr5 is in regular memory. As far as generations go I can not think of a lesser uplift. With how poor modern software has become with memory efficiency maybe they just thought you can out ram everything. But the speeds of ddr5 just are not realing needed for users. I have never seen someone bottleneck on ram speed for a very very long time.
"Rescue"
Lol. What is the rescue if even DDR4 explodes? What does this help?
DDR4 is already ridiculously expensive, just not quite as bad as DDR5
Unfortunately you can't get X3D CPU for AM4 anymore.
