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While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

Plug-in hybrid electric cars (PHEVs) use much more fuel on the road than officially stated by their manufacturers, a large-scale analysis of about a million vehicles of this type has shown.

The Fraunhofer Institute carried out what is thought to be the most comprehensive study of its kind to date, using the data transmitted wirelessly by PHEVs from a variety of manufacturers while they were on the road.

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According to the study, the vehicles require on average six litres per 100km, or about 300%, more fuel to run than previously cited.

The scientists of the Fraunhofer Institute found that the main reason for the higher-than-stated fuel usage was due precisely to the fact that the PHEVs use two different modes, the electric engine and the combustion engine, switching between both. Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode. The studies showed that this was not in fact the case.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

I can say from personal experience that my Chevy Volt gets around 40-60mpg when it kicks over to gas. That said, it rarely does, because my daily commute comfortably inside the battery's range.

Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode. The studies showed that this was not in fact the case.

Again, I've got a tank of fuel from... several months ago? Barely 7 gallons and it hasn't run out. Like, I almost never visit the gas station anymore. So, idk. Maybe the Volt was just built better.

[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Based on my interpretation of the article the Porsche plug in was so bad that it skewed the study, it used 85% more fuel than all of the other cars in the study. But it doesn't surprise me, it's not the first time Porsche (Volkswagen) wasn't very trustworthy with their fuel stats in recent years. Something else was that the less expensive the car, the better it was on fuel economy, seems logical once you think about it. The more sensible the car the more likely that buyer is to be concerned with those types of stats.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Something was that the less expensive the car, the better it was on fuel economy, seems logical once you think about it.

Nobody (expecting to win) is street racing a Volt or a Prius, to be sure.

So there's little incentive to cheat emissions standards in order to juice performance.

[–] sidelove@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

There's no way it would win a race, but I have to say, I have the latest Prius Prime and it's actually pretty damn fast, especially for a Prius. They really shook off the underpowered rep with this latest batch.

[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This mirrors my experience with my 2017 Prius Prime. On the rare occasion when I activate gas mode (e.g., for long trips) it gets 50 mpg no problem. Otherwise it's an electric car and the gas engine is completely shut down.

During COVID lockdowns, we were driving a lot less. We got a warning message that we needed to burn at least 5 gallons of gas each year to keep it from going stale. So we drove it exclusively in gas mode for a while, then went right back to not caring about gas prices at all.

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The Prius PHEV basically turns into a regular Prius once the battery is empty because Toyota designed it for low consumption. Others like Volkswagen just needed PHEVs for tax reasons, so the actual consumption does not matter to them.

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Doesn't gas go bad eventually? Could that be a problem if you end up needing the ICE to turn on?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

they actually thought of that when designing the volt. the tank is pressurised to stop evaporation (which causes the concentration of additives to change so they fall out of solution), and the engine runs for a minute or so every month (or if you haven't started it in a while) to make sure there's no bad gas in the lines.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] nomecks@lemmy.wtf 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fleet vehicles are skewing numbers too. They often don't get plugged in regularly and use the gas engine far more.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yes From the data tables in the research paper, company cars were seeing roughly 25% electric drive share, private 50% - quick back of the napkin math.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Misleading article. Someone reading this may think that a PHEV will have higher fuel consumption than claimed. When it reality it should be clarified that fuel efficiency is based on roughly 75% electric drive share.

I see the point where they should adjust that down based on real.world usage.

But... if you are expected to drive 75% electric based on battery range and your usage, you will hit the manufacturers claims, give or take

[–] breakfastmtn@piefed.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

How is it misleading?

Manufacturers make claims about fuel consumption. Based on studying real-world data, fuel consumption is significantly worse than claimed. The study authors say that internal combustion engines are active much more frequently than claimed. They propose that manufacturers and regulators use real-world data because it's more accurate. Is that such a bad idea?

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Its misleading because they're pushing this like it's Dieselgate when in reality it's just that the "MPGe" rating (and metric equivalent) is just a dumb fucking estimation. Porsche states that you get 29 miles electric range at most and then everything else is 22-29 MPG. That's how PHEVs should be quantified.

Imagine a Porsche owner driving 20 miles to work, charging, and then driving 20 miles back home. How much fuel was used?

Now imagine another Porsche owner driving the same 40 miles but in one trip. How much fuel was used?

How about a third Porsche owner driving 20 miles but flooring it after every stop light in cold weather, not charging, and then driving 20 miles back home. How much fuel there?

These would all give wildly different results which is why any combined estimation will be wrong regardless of the method. Same goes for ICE vehicles but to a lesser extent since they're always burning fuel. Combined city/highway is going to be different if that ratio is 90/10 versus 10/90. Its going to be different based on weather, driving style, number of passengers, etc. The whole point of this is to simply compare vehicle efficiencies in an apples to apples way not perfectly predict what you'll actually experience driving the car.

There's no scandal here just sensationalism.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

plug in hybrids are impossible to properly quantity fuel usage. because unlike normal cars where you estimate highway/urban use, now you have to also consider EV/ICE use.

if you rarely use the engine, then your fuel usage is negligible. while if you mostly drive it like s hybrid and never charge it, it'll be just as good as a comparable hybrid.

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[–] benderbeerman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's misleading because it is reporting a very generalized average fuel consumption (actual usage) of all PHEVs while manufacturer claims are based on individual vehicle potential.

Manufacturers cannot control how people use their cars, they can only assure that the cars operate the way they claim when used the way they suggest.

[–] breakfastmtn@piefed.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

But isn't that like Apple saying "you're holding it wrong"?

I don't think it's being portrayed as a manufacturer conspiracy. When Porsche says their tests are "based on the legally prescribed EU measurement procedures," I'm sure they're not lying. But these data say pretty clearly that those tests don't predict observed reality. If they don't, what good are they really? Shouldn't we use testing that better reflect observed fuel usage?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

No. It's like blaming ladder companies because people fall off ladders while drunk.

If a person designs to bash in their face with a hammer, government should not ban hammers.

Americans love to sit idling their V8 trucks.

[–] kimchi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The way I read it is:

  • if you never plug-in overnight, and the vehicle is big, and you drive aggressively, you get 34mpg (believable)
  • but if you plug-in a small car every night, and you get 75% of your miles electric, and you drive like a grandma, then you get 223mpg (believable)

Sadly, it sounds like Porsche drivers may fall into the first category and Toyota drivers in the second. And there are enough Porches to skew the MPG of the whole PHEV class.

(it's also possible that Porsche/VW/Audi just make PHEVs that score well on gov't tests but poorly in the real world, though I'd lean towards the drivers. But the article title really implies that all PHEVs get shockingly bad mileage)

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it's more like Apple saying you get 24 hours of battery life on an iPhone, but in reality, if you use it frequently or play games, the battery underperforms to the stated life. If these vehicles are driven aggressively or not recharged at mfg expected intervals, like fleet utilization, that would skew the general mpg for the population. I'm not saying that's what happening, but it's a possible explanation.

[–] breakfastmtn@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I guess it's just that 300% on average seems like a lot, y'know? Like, if the average iPhone user was getting just 8 hours of an advertised 24, people would be pretty pissed. They'd probably ask for testing that better reflects real-world usage ;)

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But if 50% of iPhone users are professional mobile gamers, their utilization is an outlier skewing the sample. I'd like to see the population in the sample for this study. For the average PHEV driver, they probably get close to the mfg estimate when driven as expected but the generalized data encompasses non standard users.

ICE vehicle manufacturers don't give MPG estimates based on burning out at every stop light, driving with various octane fuels, or many other factors that can effect fuel economy. They give estimates based on a certain usage. I have a Subaru WRX and average 2-3 more mpg than mfg estimates on hwy usage. That difference is in my favor, but it still shows that estimates are just estimates based on a baseline use.

[–] breakfastmtn@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If Apple were dismissing half their users as outliers, I still think people would be pretty pissed...

For the average PHEV driver, they probably get close to the mfg estimate when driven as expected but the generalized data encompasses non standard users.

Based on what though? Is this just an assumption?

I’d like to see the population in the sample for this study.

Unfortunately (and annoyingly), the Guardian doesn't link to the study. I took a quick look and found a similar study from 2022 (PDF) but nothing recent. Their conclusions are similar and they do differentiate between private and fleet vehicles.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Because the stupidity of consumers is hard to under estimate by engineers.

The problem is not the car designs, it's that idiots don't plug in, plug in hybrids, they run them only on gas. They should be charging them overnight. Regardless, they still use significantly less fuel than just ICE designs.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I met someone who had been given a PHEV company car. They had been driving it for 6 months, and I was the first person who informed them that their car could be plugged in to charge. They thought it just charged itself while driving.

I doubt this is an isolated incident.

Many companies and councils are trying to look more green by making the switch to EV, but don't want the "risk" of an actual EV. I believe they are the main customers for PHEVs, and they are also the least likely to recharge them.

I've even heard of people deliberately refueling and not recharging because they have a company car for fuel, but would have to pay for electricity themselves.

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like the companies should also issue their PHEV'd employees a portable gas-powered generator they can fill up when they fill the car to then use at night to charge the car's batteries. Bureaucratically the math is flawless.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

was the first person who informed them that their car could be plugged in to charge. They thought it just charged itself while driving.

Because the car companies were marketing them like that. They called them, "self charging".

Idiots believe it because they have no idea how a vehicle works. They just drive until it breaks.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So I own one of these vehicles and I was thinking there's no way this can be because I can see my fuel consumption and it is very low. But according to the article it varies greatly by model, and mine was mentioned as being on the low end.

For me at least, I can hear when the engine turns on and it does not do so until the battery range is used up, so there should be no fuel usage during short trips. It seems quite strange that some vehicles would work otherwise.

[–] kimchi@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The article is horribly unclear: it seems to say that PHEVs are no good, but "the main reason for the higher-than-stated fuel usage was ...that the PHEVs use two different modes, the electric engine and the combustion engine". Well, so do non-plugin hybrids. I doubt they're saying that plug-in hybrids are worse than non-plugin, but you might guess that from the title.

The article states that Porsche PHEVs used 7 liters per 100 miles (33.6mpg), but Kia/Toyota/Ford/Renault used "85% less" (1.05L/100k or 223mpg... maybe about right if driven 75% from plug-in energy).

Porsche mentioned "different usage patterns". I can buy that a typical Prius owner is plugging-in every night, filling low-rolling-resistance tires to 54psi and driving like grandma, and a typical Porsche owner... isn't. If you want apples-to-apples, then compare a gas Corolla vs a Prius vs a Plug-in Prius, where the cars are from the same city/suburb, and similar owners (e.g.: no ubers, no regional sales reps).

This "study" is evaluating real-world use of one class of vehicles, and not other vehicle types; then using the dismal ways some people drive to imply that this particular class of vehicles is the problem.

[–] Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 weeks ago

I think the point is that PHEVs do not achieve the real world emissions promised by the manufacturers, which would call into doubt reliance on them to save the climate as well as tax reliefs. Particularly, company cars are historically subsidized too much, and they get even more subsidies if they are hybrids, only to then never charge them.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode.

I have a PHEV and the gas engine shuts off completely when in electric mode. I don't see how it could be using gas when it's not running. Are they confusing the hybrid mode with electric mode?

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

No, this is poorly framed information. They don't "require" on average 300% more fuel to run. The drivers choose to charge their cars 300% less often than manufactures suggest. This is skewed by rental and fleet cars whose users never charge the car, and by owners who treat their car as a normal hybrid instead of charging it. I was once given a plug-in hybrid van as a rental car but never told it was a PHEV. I didn't figure it out until the next morning when I was walking up to it and saw the charging cover. My hotel didn't have a charger, so I couldn't really do anything about it; but if I were a normal person and not someone who has owned multiple EVs then I wouldn't have even thought to charge it.

Also, the Porsche one makes total sense. The car is going to burn through battery charge and then hit the gas engine faster when, as expected, Porsche drivers drive them like a Porsche.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Also, the Porsche one makes total sense. The car is going to burn through battery charge and then hit the gas engine faster when, as expected, Porsche drivers drive them like a Porsche.

It really is insane. They only rate the range for 29 miles and then get 22-29MPG and make something like 540HP. I wonder (but didn't bother looking up) if their design allows the electric motor to boost the power of the gas engine rather than boost fuel economy in which case you're talking about smiles per gallon not miles per gallon.

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[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People in this comment section are obtuse as fuck, I don't know if willingly or not.

Thanks for posting the study, they're completely missing the point, and it was an enlightening revelation to me

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My 2003 petrol car gets 6 litres per 100km. Even if the PHEVs are running like a normal hybrid 100% of the time, that economy is trash.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

My 2006 diesel swallows 5.1L/100km, and it fits 7 people inside. New cars are mastodontic for no fucking reason

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[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I got a Chevy Volt last year and I went from spending $350 per month on gas to spending around $20 per month (up to almost $30 when it was so cold last month).

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No, you're actually spending $900 per month on fuel but don't realize it because the manufacturers lied about it.

Shit... and here I've just been blaming tariffs and inflation for my money disappearing!

Damn those manufacturers.

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