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They do realize that covering up a crime is conspiracy right? Conspiracy involving a murder is exactly the same as murder. One for all and all for one. There is no statute of limitations either. This is one that Trump followers should back off of ... even the FBI can be brought up on state charges.
OK, I agree they should give any information they have, assuming they're working in good faith on law enforcement (they aren't). However, it is not illegal to refuse to assist a criminal investigation. You have to follow court orders, but if the police ask if you saw something you can legally not respond. This is wrong, but it isn't a crime (yet).
This isn'tjust refusing to cooperate. DHS/ICE took evidence from the crime scene and is refusing to turn it over. They also blocked local law enforcement access to the scene. This is at minimum obstruction.
Exactly. IMO ... conspiracy. They are covering up a murder.
The last bit may be. The former, probably not, until a court orders them to hand it over.
Just think about it in the context of a person doing this. If you witness a crime, you don't have to hand over, for example, video of the crime just because they ask for it. They need to get a court to order you to hand it over. Or, if you commit a crime, you don't have to provide them with evidence. They have to have a court order you to hand it over.
Again, if they actually cared about law enforcement then they'd obviously hand it over. They don't though. It's just not a crime that they aren't handing it over until they're ordered to. It proves that they are the enemy, and not legitimate law enforcement, but that isn't illegal.
You keep talking as if they are just witnesses to a crime that won't testify. It is far, far more than that.
Federal authorities blocked the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from the crime scene. They gatherer evidence from the crime scene while the BCA went to a judge force access to the scene and even got a search warrant. Now they have contaminated the crime scene and are withholding gathered evidence from the local authorities.
Now you consider this in the context of a person doing this. Let's say you kill someone and claim self defense. When the police show up to investigate the death, your friends block the police from the scene, going so far as to ignore a signed warrant. Your buddies then take all the evidence they collected while the cops were getting their warrant and transport it and you to another state so the cops can't talk to you or see the evidence. Do you think the cops would consider your buddies guilty of a crime?
The FBI is not a witness. They are an investigative branch. Beyond any reasonable doubt they have gotten orders from higher up that they should not cooperate. Conspiracy.
If it is proven that someone ordered them to cover this up ... like say ... the president ... then he is part of that conspiracy.
Honestly. Here is what I believe happened and what will eventually come to light: Trump ordered violence, he wanted ICE and Immigration to shoot people so the protests would grow violent.
The MINUTE they discover that link Trump and all his cronies are part of a murder conspiracy.
Gosh, I wonder why?
I thought this was the most transparent administration in history? Also, I thought Americans supposedly "voted for" ICE to be doing all these extremist things. You'd think they'd want to be as above-board as possible, since everyone wants this and this is such a noble thing about keeping everyone safe, yadda yadda.
Civil War it is then.
It is clear that the nation is in desperate need of a Reconstruction.
Prediction: they will suddenly "be willing to share" once the case has already gained traction, just so they can try to derail it.
More like after they lose the prelim injunction and the stay pending appeal. My guess, in the 8th circuit, is that they stand a chance at winning the stay pending appeal, which would let them keep rolling for a while.
It's a non trivial piece of 10th amendment litigation. Maybe Minnesota has a sovereign right to investigate a homicide. But does that oblige the feds to do or not do something? Does it matter if the feds are the only way to get critical evidence? Is it important whether the feds are actively trying to thwart and deny MN's police power? Does MN have to prove they can beat the Supremacy Clause on this case before they can get stuff?
Obliged or not when there is an investigation, there are valid reasons to not assist. From protected information to 5th amendment stuff. However, if they defy a court order to hand it over, that would be a crisis.
It needs to be requested by a judge not an officer.
Tell your senator, as I told mine, shut down DHS entirely until the agents are arraigned.
Gee. Can't imagine why.
So if someone had snagged a photo of one of the murderers who lives in Texas, would they be banned for posting it?
This is Lemmy.world, and I've heard their administration is pretty strict, so maybe. If this were a more reasonable instance then I'd imagine not. They're public officials, and the picture of their face would have been presumably been taken in public (or shared publicly). It should be fine to share, and the officer should be proud to be recognized for their work.
Well of course. The FBI is apparently full of fascists now, and it’s their buddies who committed the murders.
Take it by force then, they're not complying so why let them get away with it?
Make this a trending hashtag pls?
#ICE-Gate ?
oh wait, the entire 2025 was ICE-Gate,
Now its ICE-Gate Year 2: Electric Boogaloo