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[–] Devial@discuss.online 4 points 5 hours ago

Taking away her license isn't a punishment. It's a measure to protect the other people in traffic.

How remorseful she is should matter fuck all with respect to revoking her license

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 18 hours ago

yup. completely legal to kill someone by car unless its ice as they will shoot you dead just for drivng in the same general area as them.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago

80 years old and doing 70 mph / 115kph in a residential area. What the fuck. Under no circumstances should she have been left with her license. She's a danger to society.

[–] Lycist@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Woman ran a stopsign, hit my uncle who was on a scooter. My uncle died, brains splattered all over the road.

She didn't even get a ticket.

[–] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Running into a stationary object that is NOT on the roadway should be an immediate re-test of driving skills. People in the U.S. and elsewhere constantly "forget" that they are driving a 3,000-pound or heavier killing machine. The lives lost is just abhorrent. This woman is getting off easy because of her age is what I see. After her period of probation when she will not be allowed to drive, she should be required to take driving lessons and re-test if she wants her drivers license reinstated. Sounds to me like she can afford it. I hope the surviving family members sue her into oblivion. Killing 4 people not in the roadway with a motor vehicle shows me a lack of respect for the dangers of driving.

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 95 points 1 day ago (2 children)

balance the deaths with the other factors of the case, including ... and her remorse

What remorse, she didn't even plead guilty.

And I wonder how much the victims being Brazilian impacted the sentence.

[–] edgarde@piefed.social 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They were waiting at a bus shelter. She transferred millions of dollars to family members to avoid financial penalties.

I am confident an economic disparity impacted the sentence.

[–] Marthirial@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

victims being Brazilian impacted the sentence.

victims being poor impacted the sentence.

Good lawyers would have ripped a new asshole to the whole justice system.

[–] aeration1217@lemmy.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

old people and people with certain medical conditions should be re-tested at various stages for motor skills and diving ability. they're constantly a danger with their awful depth perception, reaction time, motor skills, and they slow traffic lending to already compounding traffic issues. and I am certain nothing gets done on that front because it's the same old people who are in charge of deciding such laws and lord forbid they do the right thing even if there are inconveniences.

these fucking zombies will be on a laundry list of heavy meds then throw a fit when you suggest they're unfit for driving, fuck outta here

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. One of many reasons why car-centric infrastructure is a problem. It creates a world where If you can't drive you're going to deal with some combination of: significantly less independance, exorbitant amounts of money spent in Ubers/taxis/ect., or a severely limited access to society. Unless you're obscenely wealthy losing the ability to drive significantly lowers your quality of life and ability to support yourself, forcing lots of people behind a wheel even though they really shouldn't be there.

[–] aeration1217@lemmy.org 2 points 19 hours ago

I have no counterpoint or immediate solution to offer and I am glad you covered the greater picture. It sucks.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Murder is illegal unless committed with a car. In my country we have "vehicle murder" which carries a shorter sentence than a 1st degree voluntary murder but it's still ≈10 years behind bars. The US should do something similar

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We do sort of have that. It's called manslaughter. Under normal circumstances, this woman would have been charged with several counts of manslaughter and would be in prison with her license revoked.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

She was charged with 4 counts of gross vehicular manslaughter, and she pled guilty; she just isn't being punished.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But she didn't plead guilty, according to the article. She pleded 'no-contest' so she didn't admit guilt, just stopped defending herself after she heard that she isn't going to be punished anyway.

She just walked away after the judge said she can do that without consequences.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're right, I misread - still ridiculous but less so. Thank you!

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Pleading guilty would have at least demonstrated some remorse.

I'd rather forgive someone that said "Sorry, I did something bad, and learn from it" then someone that just first say "I didn't do it." and then when informed that they aren't going to be punished say "Whatever." and walk away.

So, she not pleading guilty and still not getting punished, while at fault is more rediculus to me.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You know that's a damn good point. The what-the-fuck just doesn't stop.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is the type of situation that mandatory minimum sentences are meant for.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

At her age that would be a life sentence.

If the actual crime was driving when she’s no longer capable, then killing people, any justice needs to start with no longer driving. Plus, aren’t the people not taking her license also complicit with letting her drive when she’s is no longer capable?

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Fully agree. Discretion needs to be removed from those who leave this kind of thing unpunished.

I believe where I live those mandatory sentences are merely guidelines for judges though. Their word is law.

[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the threshold for licence removal is two families

[–] Bunitonito@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

The threshold is way higher for revocation. You have to do something absolutely wild for that to happen, such as pull off of a road without a shoulder and into a parking lot while the police are trying to stop you

[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

Protected because she's rich it seems. Disgusting.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My nephew had his truck destroyed while it was parked on the street by some monster in a BMW who was doing 130+ in a 35mph zone.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

Nice: two birds with one stone.

[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When the system fails, delivering justice becomes a duty of the people.

of courseIn Minecraft

What an absolute failure of a judge. Hopefully the family's relatives avenge them.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I think I would curate a bulletproof alibi... and then (definitely not😏😏) go and get my revenge in the middle of the night!
If the justice system lets me down in such a blatant manner then it's time to (definitely not 😏😏) take matters in to my own hands.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don't understand, walker, cars have more right than you do. It's their fault for not being born as the advanced race of cars.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's a car eat car world

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A no-contest plea indicates that while a criminal defendant does not admit guilt, they waive their right to a trial and allow the court to treat them as if they were guilty for the purposes of sentencing.

Honestly, what the fuck is that? Shouldn't even be a thing.

[–] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This saves society all lot of time and money. If it works as expected.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My point is if you're going to accept guilty consequences, you shouldn't be allowed to not admit guilt.

I don't really see that it matters. Not so much that it's worth tying up the courts with a bunch of unnecessary trials just because some people are too egotistical to admit fault.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

im not surprised its a mercedes driver. worst than bmw drivers, they often try to pull insurance fraud scams.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

worst than bmw drivers

Ah c'mon now. That's going too far.

I'd love to know what the stats are.

Edit: finding it difficult to get raw numbers but I did come across this little nugget:

BMWs are coveted cars, but their owners earned the particularly poor distinction of being most likely to drive under the influence. “BMW drivers had 3.13 DUIs per 1,000 drivers

Link.

[–] wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

In the US, if my memory serves me correctly, that coveted title of "Most likely to be DUI" belongs to Dodge Ram drivers.

If it turned out to be BMWs, though, I wouldn't exactly be surprised. 😁

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Haha. In the linked article RAM drivers are the most likely to kill so you nearly got the nail on the head.