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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net to c/gaming@beehaw.org

I was playing some Everspace 2 and while it sure is pretty and feels pretty good there was something lacking that I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I’m only 20 hours or so into it but I just felt like it wasn’t quite living up to my memories of Freelancer.

Now I last played Freelancer over 15 years ago so I was sure that I was just seeing this through a heavy mist of nostalgia, so I reinstalled the old game, installed the HD mod and a few other user made tweaks and loaded it up. The opening scenes were definitely nostalgic but once I started to fly missions properly again it became crystal clear, nope Freelancer still kicks the shit out of every other space game I’ve ever played since.

Elite Dangerous, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw, Everspace 2, Spacebourne 2, EVE Online, (edit adding more I’ve played here: Chorus, Star Citizen, No Mans Sky) they all have strengths but nothing feels as good as the grand daddy Freelancer.

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[-] TMarkos@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I think for my money the X series of games (X3: Albion Prelude and X4: Foundations) are some of the best singleplayer space empire-building games out there. They've definitely got their faults, but they're highly moddable and people make some overhaul mods that let you have more or less the exact sort of experience you want to have in those games.

[-] Lycist@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Played X4 on launch and didn't get super into it.. Need to go back and see how they've smoothed things out.

Absolutely LOVED the X3 games, spent so much time in Albion Prelude.

I recommend the X series to anyone that mentions they enjoy space sims, oddly very few have ever heard of it.

[-] Alphanerd4@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely check it out, 100% a different game. Especially carrier combat, they've added some special commands that deploy the squads in an area and it works really well.

[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I love the entire game, but there's one part that stands out for me, and that I always look forward to - the flight through the asteroid field with Juni when you first arrive in Kyushu. It's just this beautiful, tranquil interlude in the middle of all the danger and drama.

To me, the thing with the game is that it's just quality all the way through - the story, the characters, the mechanics, the graphics, the controls, the gameplay, the combat, everything.

There are so many places to go and things to see snd so many different ways to approach it. And it's all balanced so well - there's a constant calculation of risk vs. reward.

The only thing I don't really like about it is that there are so many mooks. It gets tedious when I'm trying to explore or trade and some scrubby ships pick a fight that they're absolutely guaranteed to lose. There's no risk and no challenge - all it is is an interruption. But I can put up with it - all the rest of the game makes it worth it.

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Freelancer just got everything right. First and foremost are the controls. Combat is just so much fun because of it. It might not be the most strategic combat system, it might not be the most realistic, but boy is it fun. It's responsive and immersive, the weapons feel great to shoot and sound amazing. The only other game that came close was Aquanox in this regard.

It's not trying to be too much, most of the game is rather simple but to the point. The UI gives you all the information you need but doesn't overload you.

The progression was spot on. You spent enough time in each area to get familiar with it but you moved on before it had a chance to get boring. Same with your ship progression. You got new ships at a decent rate. The mix between free exploration time and furthering the story was right. The spacing between points of interest was just right, big enough that you could feel the vastness of space but not too wide to spend endless time traveling. Especially the difference between traveling amongst established lines and going "offroad" was right.

Freelancer just focused on what is important and delivered on it. There are a few areas it could have been more. Especially faction diplomacy and economy is an area that in a game released today would feel too shallow. But it didn't matter for Freelancer because it delivered where it matters and that was a fun space shooter game.

[-] buddwm@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think it comes down to exploration.

What I mean by this is that Freelancer incorporates the ring tunnel system to allow you to quickly travel between points of interest - you can easily go from one planet to another by traveling in these tunnels. What was amazing about this is that at any time you could "leave" the tunnel and go off on your own. It felt like it was something you shouldn't really do, but if you did it, and you went far enough out where there wasn't much civilization, you could encounter stuff like a wormhole by chance and suddenly end up in a completely different solar system.

That exploration is what is missing in Everspace 2 in my opinion. Everything in Everspace 2 boils down to these small areas that you fast travel in-between.

It's like if you took the original Legend of Zelda and just had fast travel between the underground dungeons without the over-world exploration. At least that's how I see it.

[-] Moneymunkie@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Not only does this apply to trade lanes but with regards to where you could go via jump gates or with jump holes.

You could think of jump gates like a space highway, often placed at the edges of systems connected to the rest of the important spots (or at least the important/civilized/non-criminal locations) in a system with trade lanes. Want to go to another system? You used the jump gates to do so.

This works fine for a good majority of accessing the systems in the game, but once you start getting to the more undeveloped, frontier systems, your ability to travel is also affected, like if you had to drive down a rough, dirt road as opposed to a tarmac highway.

You may have to forgo the use of trade lanes entirely in some places that don't have them and some systems are not accessible via jump gates either, with you needing to find jump holes instead to reach them. In fact, to get some of the best ships in the game you'd have to access the Outcasts factions home planet which you can only do via said jump holes.

I thought it was really cool how they did that, was an effective little change in gameplay to show the development of a location and made exploring and going off the beaten track super rewarding!

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Freelancer is an incredible game indeed. How it handled ship to ship combat was simply the best, as it was the first time I actually played "space combat" instead of "aerial dogfight in space". Ships were plenty of fun and their strengths/weaknesses always made sense.

Ever gave Evochron Legacy a shot? It's quite the game once you get the hang of it, though that can take a while

[-] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

The game creator of freelancer has built his own studio to develop the spiritual sequel of freelancer.

Have a look at Star Citizen (still in development).

[-] randombit@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Have a look at Star Citizen (still in development).

In development for a decade with over $580 million in development costs and no release date in sight.

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if Star Citizen one day ends up as a case study for bad project management.

That pisses me off so much. They could probably be at Star Citizen 3.0 or something by now with two fully working prior iterations, but now, instead they constantly shift their target around.

[-] heftig@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

It's still not a game I would even remotely consider, but is it really bad management if it's insanely profitable?

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

If it collects money without delivering a result, it is a scam, isn't it?

The definition of a project is

A project is any undertaking, carried out individually or collaboratively and possibly involving research or design, that is carefully planned to achieve a particular goal.

If the only goal they achieve is "make money", I don't think that would align with what people gave money for. Because they could have chosen a charity otherwise.

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