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So, ive been thinking about how my trauma effects my politics. This may shock some of you, but a lot of my radicalizing experiences were pretty fucking traumatizing. Resistance is part of how i cope, how i keep from killing myself, how i get up in the morning after all the shit I've survived. I am under no illusions that I am emotionally healthy.

But that doesn't just go one direction. How do we define and explore the pathology of boot licking, of continued obedience, of feeling perfectly fine and like it's 'just another day and wow yeah something scary must be on if the US marines are deployed down the street, i hope they get the bad guys soon!'?

Because this is a dangerous delusion. It is blatantly and violently counterfactual. So what the fuck? Pathologically stable attachment? Hypersucceotability to delusion?

How do we figure out what a healthy person and healthy context for them to exist in would even fucking look like?

I don't just want to call the pathologically compliant names here¹. I want to figure out what breaks a person like this so we can fucking fix it. I want theories with actual utility in something adjacent to the situationist tradition.

¹'boot licker' is perfectly suitable and requires no further theorizing. Not that I don't also want to call them that.

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[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

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More seriously though, cognitive behavioural theory argues that thoughts, feelings, and behaviours reinforce one another. You may have heard the term "cognitive dissonance" when it had its time in the limelight as the buzzword du jour; that's the discomfort that happens when two of those things aren't in alignment. Changing behaviour is hard, so most folks will naturally take the path of least resistance and just begin to believe differently.

We exist in an alienating system that requires unnatural behaviour in order to survive it (e.g., working a meaningless job for a wage). This is where we get the "you claim to hate capitalism, yet you participate in it- curious..." bullshit. It comes from people who can't stand that dissonance and so have defaulted to convincing themselves that capitalism must be good. The majority of people, however, don't even get that far. Even the idea of changing one's behaviour - especially behaviours practically required to survive an inherently fucked system - is off-putting. "Those who do not move, do not notice their chains."

Like others described, it's a combination of factors like learned helplessness, self-delusion, willful ignorance, and ofc the systems of propaganda/indoctrination that reinforce it. And of course, "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Yet the folks responsible for defining pathology are entrenched in the system(s) responsible in the first place.

Side note, psychopathology is largely a weapon wielded against the proletariat, and I think we should consider not legitimizing the tools of our oppressors

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That last bit is valid, but it's a tool legitimized by real shit that feels ungood and needs some remedy. Im all for a new therapy, but I do think something shpuld exist, whether it's the village shaman who offers you mushrooms or a person with a couch who asks you to talk about your feelings.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh, well that exists! I forgot about that part of your post.

Marxist psychotherapists use Lacanian psychoanalysis to encourage class consciousness, and I suppose the "disorder" they're treating in this case is referred to as "interpellation."

As an anarchist, I personally have some pretty strong (negative) feelings and opinions about this modality, but it sounds like what you're looking for


Edit: I just remembered we're in an anarchism comm lol

Here's why I don't like it (copied and pasted from something I wrote before):

The focus on dense theoretical frameworks and language/symbolic structures as mediators of subjectivity tends to obscure rather than clarify real mechanisms of power and oppression as experienced by individuals, alienating clients who urgently need practical tools for self-determination and mutual aid within oppressive systems.

More importantly, it seems to inherently reproduce hierarchical, institutionalized patterns within therapy itself, where the therapist positions themselves as an expert interpreter of ideology, rather than facilitating liberatory, horizontal therapeutic relationships.

As practiced within Marxist-influenced circles (as seen on r/leftistpsychotherapists) it appears to be less about empowering individuals or communities, and more about intellectualizing oppression in ways that ultimately sustain elitism and social control mechanisms rather than dismantling them.


Granted, I'm in a position where the only people coming to me for therapy are already radicalized. If I worked with libs/fascists, I might be motivated to find a way to implement Lacanian psychoanalysis in a way that feels less elitist

Edit 2: I'm embarrassed to say I never bothered to look into this from the other side and lowkey just assumed I was alone in this. Check this out! https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/saul-newman-anarchism-and-psychoanalysis#toc3

[–] SargonOfACAB@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's probably dangerous to think this is just any one thing. For the vast majority of people it's likely just a form of normalization. If you've been involved with anarchism (or other radical politics) for a while it can be hard to remember just how normalized state repression or even state violence is. Similar to "capitalist realism" people just aren't used to imagining that things could be differently. Addressing that would involve both arguing that certain things (such as police defaulting to violence) shouldn't be considered as normal, while also presenting viable alternatives that we could be doing right now. For that last part I think the concept of prefigurative politics plays a big role.

I'd perhaps cautiously suggest that some sort of "learned helplessness" or a variation thereof could also be at play. When you lack agency and bad outcomes seem to happen regardless of what you do, many people will just passively accept the bad outcomes. Here I think people should be shown that through community and agency you can create positive outcomes. Getting people even tangentially involved in any form of direct action has been (in my experience) a good way to make that happen. It is, however, rather challenging to get people to take that step. Telling them about (successful) forms of direct action will be necessary here. Someone I know recently had the realization that direct action can have a much bigger impact than they thought after watching the documentary "To Kill A War Machine."

Most people also just don't have the necessary handholds to think about all of this. The necessity of a government or the continued existence of capitalism is taken as a given, the same as gravity or magnetism. A lot of effort gets put into making sure this is the case and most people don't have the time, energy, or inclination to look into it much deeper.

[–] bambiryba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Very uplifting thought- creating free spaces is for sure the best course of action, deeply meaningful even beyond the concept of success and failure.

[–] SargonOfACAB@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

Even just very small and temporary ones would do a lot, in my opinion.

Part of what makes direct action valuable is that it temporarily creates a space for just doing what needs doing, with less regard to the reality of capitalism and the state.

You want to learn about narcissism, narcissistic abuse, and, in particular, what happens to the victims of sustained narcissistic abuse. The victims end up suffering from 'codependency' or 'self-love deficit disorder' depending on who you talk to. Your mention of 'pathologically stable attachment' is pretty close to talking about one real aspect of codependency. There are attachment disorders (like anxious attachment disorder) that will cause people to hyper-attach to others (especially abusers).

I do not say this to name-call, per se - but rather to give you some keywords that you can use to learn more about what's going on. I will also recommend this youtuber, and in particular her Glossary of Narcissistic Relationships playlist. She's also written books if you would prefer that format instead. Most information on this topic focuses on interpersonal relationships (intimate ones, especially), but it is trivially applicable to other (larger) contexts.

One of the best things you can do for someone who is suffering from codependency is to help them learn about narcissistic abuse, so that they are even able to recognize what is being done to them. A big part of the apathy that you are observing in people is just plain normalization. They literally don't even recognize that they are being abused. Once you get past this barrier, helping them heal from the trauma and develop far healthier responses to abusive situations becomes a whole lot easier.

[–] bambiryba@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My 5c:

We are not all the same and our priorities very quite strongly depending on our experiences, character (scale between fearful and curious), current state of mind etc. Most of the people are not particularly interested in freedom or justice and prefer illusion of stability, as they have no confidence, that they can function without hierarchical structures. In order to defend that illusion (of stability), they are ready to lie or do unspeakable things, because without the illusion they would be forced to confront their deepest fears of inadequacy and fear of death, as the root of all fears. Our capability to lie to others and to ourself is arguably one of the main engines of civilization (we call it “Abstract Thinking”) and for the masters of lies it is simply too easy to rationalize actions, situations and atrocities and construct imaginary worlds, where every convenient shit is justified.

As long as that fearful majority thinks that it has something to lose (status, comfort, future…), they will defend status quo (hierarchical, boot-licking structures) with tooth and nail.

We all have some of it inside, to different degree.

The thing is it isnt stable. It's wildly volatile bullshit. Most people are a minor accident away from their entire life collapsing and falling all the way through all the cracks. Everyone is a shitty cop deciding they did something wrong or a 4chan asshole shooting them for being in the wrong produce aisle at the wrong time.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bigotry, supporting movements that go against your interests and cause violence aren't necessarily personal failings, it's the result of bourgeois society and our capitalist superstructure and them instilling these values through education, media, communities and so on.

This doesn't apply only to reactionary thought, but also to """truths""" we happen to take for granted like current political economy and mode of production (nobody talks about it anymore and just accepts capitalism as granted, and anti-capitalists are closer to anti-consumerists and reformists), nationalism, electorialism, morality and so on.

Despite how horrible they can be, they're as much of a victim of the system as anyone, and the only way to make them see the truth is to have them experience it for themselves. Same applies to delusional progressives.

[–] bambiryba@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I live in Europe and lately I started noticing huge difference in a perception of reality between people living in urban areas, small villages and suburbs. The last group seams to exhibit more antisocial behavior patterns and "me against the world" mentality. And in combination with "self-employed" it can easily turn to pathological levels. The digital age doesn't make it easier either and it got much worse since COVID.

There is no doubt in my mind, that alienation as a part of neo-liberal project is the main weapon of the oligarchs in their struggle to crush us. This is probably not a hot news for most of you, but for me it has been just a relatively recent observation.