The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
Reddit won't actually die, it'll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.
To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.
Have you been to digg recently? It's a buzzfeed clone. Just because the brand is still around doesn't mean it's the same product at all
It's like if I bought Nike and then killed off all their product lines and only sold high viscosity lithium grease. Yeah Nike would be around, but it would be meaningless beyond that
That's what Decoy said.
Reddit won't die, but it will not be what it was.
I agree with you. Actually, Lemmy woke me up to how much reddit had already been enshitified. I didn't realize that I had stopped commenting altogether because the subs were so big that either no one saw your stuff, or there was always some one pissed off who felt the need to respond. Lemmy reminds me of reddit the way it was when I joined 12 years ago.
It won't die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work... but they won't be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It's a cycle it seems.
That title is a bit misleading. Reddit mods might have stopped protesting, but the news of the implosion was quite significant. The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this. I don’t think their IPO is going to be as strong as they had hoped. That financial impact is quite opposite of the victory they claim to have achieved.
Also, the posts on Reddit and the responses have declined in quality in my opinion.
the post quality sincerely feels reminiscent of when I started using reddit a decade ago, might as well be posting rage comics again. so much vile shit is making it to the front page too.
glad I finally got the kick I needed to jump ship, i'm really enjoying what I've seen on lemmy and hexbear
I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It's nice.
Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.
Maybe it doesn't matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don't fit back together anymore.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
I agree. If Reddit won, the victory was pyrrhic if anything. Their whole plan to end 3rd party app support could have been just a small road bump if they had just done it transparently and planned it with reasonably thought out timelines. They instead chose to do a whole front flip over it and get everyone mad, tanking their brand while trying to make it look like nothing happened.
Anyways, congratulations on your victory. Here's your prize: ❤
At least personally i have not been on reddit for more than 10 minutes total since the middle of June. I am but one person, but i dont see how they can declare themselves the winners.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about "well are there any good reddit alternatives?"
The answer will be "there is now, and it's called lemmy." And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn't beat us.
They were always going to win. It's their platform. They can do whatever they want. But... They lost my attention and paid subscription. I now only go to Reddit when I'm looking for something I can't find elsewhere. It used to be my favorite platform.
Reddit's main advantage is the historic number of contents and knowledge posted by their users.
It will take decades for this advantage to shift, if even possible, to similar type like Lemmy or other platforms.
Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
To be honest I didn't really care about the API thing because I used the web interface anyway. But the fact that they had this outrage from users and their answer was "LOL who cares" made me leave.
I'm very similar. I actually just used the official app, but just seeing the way they responded made me leave
The fact that spez just bald-faced lied about what was said in his call with the Apollo dev was a huge red flag for me.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I'm not going back to reddit, there's simply no need.
If Reddit won, why have Lemmy and Kbin's userbases grown so steeply since June? Why has the quality of Reddit's content plummeted terribly? Why is /r/place just one endless ocean of "fuck spez"?
Reddit only "won" in the same way that Florida "won" against illegal immigrants and is now facing a massive workforce shortage in essential industries.
Reddit may not be dead yet, but it's mortally wounded already. It's bleeding out and will be dead in every way that matters soon.
Unfortunately, steeply here doesn't really capture the size disparity between Lemmy and Reddit. Lemmy has 60k active monthly users. Reddit has 450 million active monthly users. We have a looong way to go before we can really compete. But we just have to keep pushing. Now that we exist and have a sustainable userbase, the next time Reddit does something idiotic we'll be here to attract disgruntled users. Something good that we can be doing is showing up to the threads on Reddit about the terrible things Reddit does and advertising Lemmy to people.
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they "won" was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don't need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
Reddit did way worse than losing and worse than dying directly.
Reddit is dead inside and that's all that matters to me.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
Tanked reputation, loyal user base gone like the window, no 3rd party support what so ever and the face of the company making a total ass out of himself. Yeah sure, if you call that a 'win'
They still have a lot of traffic. So yeah, they did win.
But you know who else won? The Fediverse. This place feels really active now and has the added benefit of feeling just a bit more wholesome.
And I'm 100% okay with that, my goal in going here wasn't for reddit to die, it was to have an alternative to reddit. And it's fucking amazing, I've almost completely stopped using Reddit thanks to this amazing place. I only use reddit now for niche subs like my ebikes sub.
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Did Digg die in days?
Man...it's been years, so I don't remember, but honestly it felt like it at the time. Everyone hated their massive V4 redesign, so people just...left. The Reddit situation is different, because it only really affected third-party app users, not every single user of the site.
Edit: I looked it up, and yeah, there was a "quit Digg day" on August 30, 2010 when pretty much everybody just left for Reddit and didn't look back. It helped that people actively bombed Digg's front page with links to Reddit that day, letting people know where to go. Two days later Digg's CEO was ousted by the board, two months later they laid off 37% of their staff. They basically died overnight. That's not happening to Reddit.
It's worth noting that Reddit has been around a lot longer than Digg had at the time, and has way more traffic than Digg ever did. Unseating Reddit is going to be a lot harder than quitting Digg was.
Reddit corporate claims victory
LOL, fucking pathetic.
Platforms don't rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass to sustain itself so from here on out it will only grow. It surpassed the danger zone where engagement wouldn't be enough to bring people back. On top of that, the best lemmy clients already blow Reddit's official client out of the water. Now all that needs to happen is for more communities to grow.
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit "won". They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
I don't see how reddit "won". They may have gotten their way by raking devs and users over the coals, but they didn't win. They got their way. Now it remains to see if any service will usurp them in the future.
IMO, Reddit kept the people who didn't care about third party apps or the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media. Everyone who did care, left. And that's not really a victory.
I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I'm enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
I mean, if they say so...
Meanwhile, I'm just going to have good time here on Lemmy.
Did Spez write this article? Reddit didn't win. Trying to go back there has resulted in literally no answers for anything. It's just shills and that's it. I couldn't get answers to things anymore on some pretty major subreddits. So, glad I'm staying with Lemmy.
Bullshit. This is a biased article.
As a other person commented, I won. No need for reddit at this point.
And user name checks out.
I dunno about winning. Lemmy user count is through the roof. And Im one of the people who left when they pulled the API nonsense. The way they gaslit and lied to the Apollo dev was just unacceptable. Couldn't participate there after that.
But most of these are small communities, and today only protesting subreddit with over 10 million subscribers is r/fitness.
Even if those subreddits never reopen, relinquishing the John Oliver rule officially brings the Reddit protests to a close.
These sentenences are literally right after each other. I have no idea how a 10+ million subreddit still protesting and many smaller ones means the protests are "officially over". It's died down quite a bit but that doesn't seem like a state to declare "officially over".
Reddit won nothing, maybe just didn't lose as hard as we expected, but the site is a cesspool (more than before).
Lemmy has taken me back to the birth of the Internet and Pirch. But like everything else when the word gets out???
In all honesty, I can't see any negative impact of reddits hostile behavior towards their userbase on me personally. I can fully admit that I was browsing reddit an unhealthy amount of time. As in spending 4-6 hours a day in mindless scrolling paralasis, only to reward myself with a mild chuckle every 500 posts. I mainly used Boost for Reddit which didn't help to combat this behavior with it's user friendliness. The standard reddit app and website are so bad that I cold turkeyed my bad habit and was finally able to break it. I browse Lemmy to a much smaller extend (maybe 1 hour tops) and refuse to install any frontend app, to not fall back into the same hole as with Reddit.
I also don't get the people that complain. You basically got a free get out of jail card for social media addiction, and you try to immediately backpedal to old habits. This also goes for people that desperately want Lemmy to become exactly like Reddit. The reason why Lemmy in it's current state is in my opinion already better, is because there is basically no FoMo. Post hover on the Popular page for days, comment numbers are low, and if you want to engage in an actual conversation, you won't be drowned out by the 2.7K+ tounge in cheek one liner comments because everybody is a comedian on Reddit.
I try to enjoy it while it lasts, because I know its not going to stay like this forever.
I just downloaded Sync for Lemmy. Something Reddit doesn't have. Stay winning, though, I guess?
They did not, at least not in my world, I left Reddit because of this and will never go back.
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