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says the guy who's party literally just voted to fund these known murders.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 79 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Says the fucker that gave them almost $30 billion less than a year ago. We're here because you all tripled their annual budget. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

that was not the best time to negotiate (/s)

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

7 Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to fund them. It's unconscionable, and those seven should be primaried, as well as party leadership who decided not to do a whip vote, but blaming the entire Democratic Party, including the Senate which hasn't voted yet and is vowing to block it, is quite ignorant, to be honest.

What are you hoping to accomplish by responding to Senate Democrats saying they won't allow the funding, by saying "You already allowed the funding"?

Wait for the Senate to vote, see if they keep their word. Don't preemptively blame them for the thing they're saying they're going to try to stop.

And if they don't keep their word, run for their seat and primary them. But all this "Dems are fascist-lite/controlled-opposition" seems like a combination of foreign disinfo and right-wing psyop, both of which are meant to sow discord and weaken opposition. And it's working, because idiots like you keep falling for it.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you haven't seen establishment Dem's efforts to maintain the power of the GOP and this new fascist paradigm, you have paid zero attention and are just as painted-face-sports-fan for the Dems as MAGA is for Trump.

I'm not saying we don't vote Dem. We should all vote Dem. Entirely NEW dems. Every incumbent must go, every last one. I stopped caring when they stopped caring about us. Fuck every last one, I hope they end up prosecuted at the Hague with the GOP who enabled this. Or at least disappear into obscurity.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's precisely the kind of no-nuance take that I would expect from maga.

Pointing out obvious untruths and presenting easily verifiable facts is not the same as being pro-establishment Dem.

I'm not happy about the response seen so far, and I think any Dem who votes with Republicans should be primaried. I think the Democratic Party leadership should be replaced. But painting the entire Democratic Party with a broad-brush and saying they're all to blame/controlled opposition/fascist-lite is as I said both counter-factual and counter-productive.

There are plenty of Democrats voting against Republicans and doing all they can to oppose them, and lumping them in with republicans and DINOs is not going to help the situation.

Just because they currently have a minority and the way the system is designed makes it extremely difficult for them to oppose the majority party doesn't mean they're all complicit. If you want to see them make a difference, try voting in more Dems so that they get a sabotage-proof majority.

Until then, try directing your ire at the people who are actually to blame, such as republicans and the 7 House Democrats who voted with them.

Adam Schiff is not the problem, and attacking him for making headlines with an oppositional statement is only going to disincentivize any remaining Democrats from speaking up or standing out. And that is not what we need.

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He may vote no but Schumer will round up enough votes for it to pass. And the rest will stand back claiming they did their best. The entire party is complicit

Pretty much. He'll conspire with the party to find those safe seat Republican-lite assholes and get them to "break" and pass the funding and then go "Welp I and the Democrats tried!", just like last time with the ACA subsidies and every other time since I've been alive and voting for Democrats.

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'll believe it when I see it. The current Democrat leadership is nothing but a bunch of flip-flopping pussies.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It goes beyond flip-flopping. It looks like a party of calculated self-sabotage. It appears Schumer organizes votes to ensure there are just enough dissenters that he and others can pretend to want the right thing but hey, what can they do, unfortunately they just didn't get enough votes. Every time. All that changes is who they pick to be on dissent duty.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You'll see it for about a week before some Democrats "care about the American people's* suffering" and vote with their Republican party to fund more ICE murders and the leadership go "well at least we tried".

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

DNC will need to do a lot of work before i believe they're anything but controlled opposition.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 days ago

I think if they weren’t they would have rebranded into a different party by now.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago

Ty hey might shut down the government for a month to only do nothing. Don’t forget that.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Schiff: it’s not just GOP members who will see more Americans die. Is this comeback really the extent of what you’re willing to do? The people you’re berating this way see this as a feature, not a flaw. They have no issues with the “wrong type” of American dying like this.

Maybe refuse to caucus with anyone who doesn’t support your NEW bill removing the funding granted by the one YOU JUST SUPPORTED?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago

He didn't support the ice bill that I can tell. There were 7 democrats and he wasn't on the list.

[–] Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny, I'm not guving Schiff another dime either, for completely different reasons

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Every incumbent dem must go. The reckoning is 10 months away.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The moment the current regime ends, ICE needs to be disbanded, and people has to be held accountable.

There needs to be a completely new organization for dealing with immigration, this one has been and continues to be rolling in shit so deep you can't get the stink out.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ICE and DHS both need to be disbanded, they're useless organizations whose function can be met equally or better by other groups. DHS has always been a sad joke of an agency, let the FBI/CIA, federal marshals or state troops handle that stuff. Likewise ICE has no need to exist, anything they do can just as easily be handled by some other law enforcement agency.

Worst case scenario they create a new agency with no law enforcement powers to handle immigration paperwork. Make them a pure bureaucracy that only exists to file reports and help people go through the immigration process. If someone over stays their visa then the immigration bureau can refer that person to traditional LEOs at the state or federal level. There's no reason at all why they need a dedicated law enforcement agency purely for immigrants.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

It's good to remember that DHS was invented as a response to 9/11 during all the rush to "Keep us Safe from Terrorists" when we lost a lot of freedom and privacy. We were doing just fine without them before.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Unless we somehow miraculously manage to throw every single one of them into prison. Disbanding ICE and making a new organization just means these fuckers are going to be recycled and rebranded. Nothing will change.

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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

No fucking shit. Do something. Minnesota is entirely working within our communities and expect nothing from our governments. If I had the option, I would opt out of America at this point. Imagine if MN didn't have to pay federal taxes, that'd be great.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Democratic Congressmen are all pussies. Have a spine. I know they won't because they're complicit.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

He's a senator now. Still he doesn't inspire me. He needs to stop accepting AIPAC, stop working for the donor class, start representing California values.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Congressman" is a generic term that covers people in both houses of Congress.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Huh, I usually call house of reps Congress members and refer to senators as senator.

Also since Schiff only recently ascended from the house of reps to the Senate, wanted to clarify his current role.

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[–] zd9@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Senate is also Congress...

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago

This weird correction over Congress is the weirdest bit of brain rot I’ve ever seen. I keep seeing this. Did people go to school?! Congress is the house and the senate!

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It is infuriating to see how many people think the legislative branch is divided into Senate and Congress. Or worse, how many people think the 3 branches of government are "the President, Congress, and Senate."

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

He needs to retire.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Dude is owned by Israel. I hope he does the right thing for once but I won’t hold my breath

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, that's the point. Stop pretending that that's not the point

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah I was about to make this exact same comment. They want to see people suffer and die, that's why they're allowing all this to happen.

People need to stop pretending that the murders are some unfortunate side product

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I'd love to see a Democratic DOGE that focused on shit like ICE.

I'd love for them to sit there with smarmy fuck-you smiles and keep repeating that they are just going after "real waste, fraud and abuse" with a scripted set of talking points as they dismantle things like ICE.

Part of the script would be to point out that the cuts the conservatives made under their fake "doge" were only harming and killing people, and didn't really save any money at all. The liberal DOGE aims to get rid of "waste, fraud and abuse" that is actively harmful.

Those assholes that sat there and smiled the biggest of shit-eating grins knew full well that they were actively trolling everyone that was not a stupid redcap when they kept repeating "waste, fraud and abuse" "waste, fraud and abuse" like good little parrots. I'd love to see that thrown right back in their face as the things that get them so hard like the terrorists that are known as ICE are just disbanded.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“You guys kill six, seven, eight or ten more white people and I’m gonna be really mad

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just text ANGRY to 463737 and donate $5, $10, or $25 so we can do anything

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

I suspect there will be a new rotating villain to vote for it.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Who 10% of his party

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ive been very aggressive in my outrage to him, my senator, so this is at least a lil good news

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