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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 75 points 9 months ago

I don't mind having a lot of different hot sauces. What I mind is "financial innovation" like debt-backed securities, and "tech innovation" like tracking people as they browse the web.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

The point is we're getting "innovation" at the expense of people. That person says they have no teeth because they can't afford dental care in America since for-profit healthcare is another feature of capitalism.

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I find it beyond infuriating that dental isn't even considered healthcare per se. It requires entirely separate "insurance," all of which is hot garbage. I need my wisdom teeth out, because they never fully erupted and now they're rotting in my gums. I shred my cheeks eating because I can't afford the $5,000 they quoted me for an oral surgeon. My dental "coverage" only pays out a max of $2,000 annually so I just deal with it and pull out the chunks as they break off.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

$5000?!! That is insane.

In the UK, dental care isn't free (unless you're below 18, a student, unemployed, pregnant, have been pregnant in the past year, or there is a serious risk to your wider health), but it still caps out at £307 for the most serious dental work. Most people here are furious about it costing anything at all.

Though getting prompt dental care has been way harder after the COVID backlog...

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

And $5,000 isn't even out of range. Kids needed a couple fillings? $1,000 with insurance. Grandma needs a root canal? $1600 with insurance and Medicare.

It's a huge fucking racket and the fact that it still exists decades after Obamacare is extremely frustrating

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

This is one of the forms of alienation Marx talked about. Products aren’t made because they’re good or needed, but because they’re profitable

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 months ago

Well, the point is also that it's not useful innovation. Profit is prioritized, not utility. Sometimes that results in useful innovation, but frequently it results in potentially useful innovation being avoided because it'd cost too much with a low chance of return on value.

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

But there are plenty of other capitalistic societies where health care is covered for all like Canada. You can reign in capitalism and manage it and have socialism in the same system. The issue in the USA is not capitalism, it is out of control capitalism.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

It's cronie capitalism. We don't actually have a free market and we don't get actual competition.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

and one mega corp owns all 27

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago
[-] kautau@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

A publicly traded company with 64% of shares owned by Nestle

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

So much innovation 😍

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[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 26 points 9 months ago

That's assuming that those brands aren't just one or two actually different sauces from the same couple of suppliers

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

It's Nestlé all the way down.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A lot of them used to be different businesses. But capitalism gotta capitalism and the largest companies bought out all the smaller ones like Agar.io for rich people.

Same with media too. Remember when Marvel, Lucas Films, and 21st Century Fox all used to be their own things?

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Innovating exciting new ways to replace ownership with rentals/subscriptions and giving you less while charging you more

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Mhm. Ask all the scientists whose work has been suppressed by corporations claiming IP but not doing anything with it because it competes with their main product lines. Ask those whose work would be of wide public interest but is paywalled by the for-profit journals they’re required by their institutions to publish in.

The ‘capatalism breeds innovation’ thing is a massive lie. In reality, brilliant people drive innovation, and capitalism beats them to death then scavenges their corpses.

eta: This applies to the military version of this argument, too. No, the military doesn’t drive innovations and achievements; it hides them from the public so that society is constantly two or more decades behind what’s possible. Again, people are doing it, but we’re not allowed to benefit from many things until they have no real strategic value. It’s bonkers to think about. Even more bonkers to realise we’re paying them to do this to us.

[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 10 points 9 months ago

🍿 🥤 🍬

I’m ready for the show to start

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

To be fair, you could enjoy all 27 brands of hot sauce without teeth.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 9 months ago

Or without a mouth!

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Innovation" is not necessarilly improvement and "New" is not necessarilly better, and I say this as somebody who has spent most of his career at or near the bleeding edge of Tech.

I even get the feeling (from myself and from comments I read sometimes) that techies who do or did bleeding edge stuff and with a few years behind their backs, like me (so, not the bright-eyeds naive young ones who haven't seen much yet and which the industry uses as fuel), are less prone to be technology early adopters than the average person exactly because we've seen a lot of brand-new innovative glittered turds sold on hype, not on genuinelly being a good thing.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 9 months ago

I think a lot about how venture capital spends billions on companies that send gifs over the Internet, and how that money could have been spent on, say, anything useful.

[-] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Just be glad you didn't die from eating the the pink sauce.

[-] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

Why would you bring craft hot sauce into this mess? They don't deserve that

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Capitalism for things you want, Socialism for things you need

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

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~capitalism breeds innovation~ yeah for sure bro i love having 27 brands of hot sauce and no teeth

[-] Tischkante@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago

Business opportunities like dentures and anti acids are only the beginning!

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