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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 67 points 7 months ago

Jesus fucking Christ

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 59 points 7 months ago

Have they already gone through the billions in weapons we've already given them?

[-] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 24 points 7 months ago

Billions don't go through as many hospitals as they used to.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 40 points 7 months ago

This article is inaccurate or at least misleading in its title presentation. It's reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted. In fact, Biden moved back from this and has been instead moving to restrict all weaponry sales to Israel in the past few days.

Biden has not been in any form of good light in my eyes in the past two months, but please don't spread fake or misleading information like this.

[-] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

It’s reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted.

It's reporting on a budget request filed on October 20th. The requests pertain to fiscal year 2024. It's still set before the Senate to be voted on.

[-] PhoenixAlpha@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Do you have a source for him moving to restrict sales? I see there was a House bill about that a couple weeks ago, but it didn't involve Biden.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago

That doesn't fit the us vs them narrative OP wants you to accept. How's your down vote count looking?

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

No downvotes, actually, surprisingly. 29 upvotes.

[-] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 37 points 7 months ago
[-] snoopfrog@midwest.social 16 points 7 months ago

My exact reaction too. They're just steamrolling civilians in Gaza. I guess our relationship with them as an armed ally in the area is more important than some light genocide.

Just my opinion, but we knew this would happen eventually. I'm in my 40s and remember hearing enough about Israel in my teens and 20s that I've always thought of them as the "wish a motherfucker would" type. And here we are.

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 37 points 7 months ago

Oh good we're giving more weapons to the genocidal regime that attacked our warship, interfered in our elections, and illegally acquired nukes, all on our dime.

Biden, elected by the youth vote, essentially retiring with this move, but still running so as to ensure a trump victory so they don't need to enforce any troublesome laws.

[-] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 30 points 7 months ago

And you get a genocide and you get a.... No, just Israel actually.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 months ago

I’ve been trying to convince my parents that this is absofuckinglutely genocide. It has not gone well. They are convinced that Israel is simply defending themselves, and all the civilian casualties are just how war is.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 7 months ago

You could make the comparison with Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Is it "just war" when Russia intentionally bombs children's schools and hospitals? Most countries are civilized enough to only target military targets during a war. It's also worth pointing out that modern missiles do not "accidentally" hit the wrong target, that's about as likely as shooting a gun and "accidentally" hitting your friend standing behind you.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Some estimates say over one million Iraqis were killed during the American invasion and occupation.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 7 months ago

Americans aren't civilized, just entitled. (Yes, I'm an American)

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago
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[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago

But Ukraine can't even get enough AGTMs and shells. God forbid mentioning atacms, almost two fucking years!

I can't believe that Netanjahu is more trustworthy than Zaluzhny.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

all US puppets suffer the same fate in the end

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[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

I can’t believe that Netanjahu is more trustworthy than Zaluzhny.[sic]

Can you touch on this a little further please? I’m not sure I follow.

[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There was a lot of back and forth over the last two years whether UAF can be trusted. Either about applying the weapons as agreed (ie not using atacms against muscovite mainland), or with regards to safety of the provided assets (keeping weapons in Ukraine and not selling it further to baddies). Like, there's a severe shortage of atgms, and as of lately majority of russian hardware is hit either with artillery or with FPV drones, or direct hit weapons such as RPGs.

At the same time Netanjahu is a very risky political actor who has proven his, um, tendency to manipulate the political spectrum, who's government absolutely fucked up the insurrection, and who governs a closest thing to an apartheid system since SA. Ffs his minister of internal security is so far right, he was expelled from IDF! And these people are promised unconstrained access to weapons.

This makes me sad.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, I didn’t read all 69 pages of the document. After 30 pages, I got RFP’d out and stopped.

There’s nowhere in this document that supports OP’s claim in the headline. If someone wants to refute my claim here, I’d be willing to address that with a citation in the document. But other than that, this entire post should be removed because it’s based on a horseshit claim.

A post like this is why downvotes are needed.

[-] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

This request would modify requirements that apply to certain defense articles that the Department of Defense (DOD) transfers to Israel. Section 12001 of the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2005 (Public Law 108-287), as amended (section 12001), currently allows the DOD to transfer specified categories of defense articles to Israel in exchange for certain concessions from Israel, subject to multiple restrictions—including that the articles are obsolete or surplus to DOD. It further requires the President to notify the Congress at least 30 days prior to such transfer. This request would modify section 12001 to: allow for the transfer of all categories of defense articles; remove the requirement that these articles be obsolete or surplus to DOD; allow DOD greater flexibility in determining the value of the concessions provided in exchange for the transfers; and provide for the possibility of shortening the 30-day prior notice period in extraordinary circumstances.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's nothing genocide Joe loves more than bombing brown people. Reminder that this is the same piece of human garbage that voted for the invasion of Iraq in which US regime massacred over a million people.

[-] little_hermit@lemmus.org 12 points 7 months ago
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[-] UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

I can't imagine Hamas being the sole reason behind this decision. Of course at face value it is but feels like they are taking this opportunity to do this for some other reason.

Terrible nonetheless but worried about what else is to happen due to this.

[-] fox@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

Arms manufacturers want more $ and can't get more $ if the stockpiles are full

[-] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

Likely as a condition of the pause and hostage exchange.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“If enacted, the amendments would create a two-step around restrictions on U.S. weapons transfers to Israel,” said John Ramming Chappell, a legal fellow with the Center for Civilians in Conflict.

Under circumstances laid out in these requirements, Israel has been able to draw on the stockpile, purchasing the weapons at little cost if it uses the effective subsidy of U.S. military aid.

The effect of lifting the restrictions on transfers to Israel — such as eliminating the requirement that the weapons be part of a surplus — could harm U.S. interests by diminishing American preparedness for its own conflicts in the region, said Josh Paul, a former official who served in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs.

The U.S. government is only supposed to spend $200 million per fiscal year restocking the WRSA-I — about half the total cap for all U.S. stockpiles round the globe.

The U.S. currently requires that Israel grant certain concessions in exchange for certain types of arms assistance from the Pentagon, but the White House request would remove this condition as well.

“The Biden administration’s supplemental budget request would further undermine oversight and accountability even as U.S. support enables an Israeli campaign that has killed thousands of children,” said Chappell, of Center for Civilians in Conflict.


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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

I get the feeling that Israelis have something on joe or his son

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

More likely he's getting a cut from the billions that defense contractors are making by selling arms to Israel.

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org -2 points 7 months ago

Yes, you’re worried about a guy greasing his pockets who rode a train to work for 20 years, and not the constant grifter who sends out monthly emails begging for money for his legal fees for lawyers he refuses to pay. This is a completely reasonable take.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

Who? I have no idea what you're on about..

[-] S_204@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago

Israel has something on every Western leader.... the fact they're the front line of defense against jihadism.

There's a reason why the west has lined up behind the only democracy in the region.

[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Israel is not a democracy if they have different laws for different classes of citizens.

They are a far right fanatical zionist theocracy

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