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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

“If we don’t hold people to account when they commit crimes, it sends a message that those crimes are okay, that our society accepts that … it can endanger our election process, it can endanger election workers, and ultimately our democracy,” Smith said.

I'm not American, but this seems to be the current state over there already. The lack of consequence, even from the populus, is astounding. It's like everyone is rolling over—complaining as they do it, but rolling over with little resistance.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All because bad leadership. Where were the rallies in DC demanding action on punishing the coup? Why were there not indictments hitting the ground running on january 20?

Biden did not even fire the army generals that refused to back up the capitol until it was clear the coup would fail, one of which was Michael Flynn's brother. Let alone recall Flynn himself and court martial him. They let hundreds of threats against election officials that crossed the line go unpunished, and they allowed the weak prosecution of January 6 rioters to go on, did not push back when the cop that died had causes attributed to other factors than the rioters, no conseuqences for the capitol police being purposefully abandoned, for them to be removed from their riot gear, back up. None of the institutional players involved were punished.

All because we trusted Biden, and democrats still do, that is the most damning part. Even now most will argue vociferously that he did the best he could, as if there was no bully pulpit, as if the president doesn't have a duty to make sure captured federal agencies across the board but especially the Justice Department, fulfill their statutory duties, firing their captors and appointing people that would.

It would take too long to go over half of the grievances just related to the 3 month revolving coup attempt in 2020, to say nothing of the rest.

We need leadership, and these dumb motherfuckers (democratic sheep,) still trust the establishment. I don't get it, we must all be getting dosed with compliance inducing pollutants and taxoplasmosis brain infections for some. What other explanation could there be?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Germany lost WWII, but fascism won it."

-George Carlin.

You're seeing the results of over 80 years of planning by ghouls.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

That appears to be true. Although this long game to fascisize the west really was a long game implemented in 1971 in the business round table in a first iteration of this long game, there were previous attempts but they failed and this one succeeded.

From then, from the 70's, everything went to shit, including notably the value of our work. They changed inflation to understate it, and we've been taking pay cuts every year without knowing it, averaging 5-8 percent a year average just by 2008 under the old metric, and 2-3 percent under the new. Any job paid for life, for an entire family, by the 80's, it didn't. Now you can't live as well on 4 minimum wage jobs as a family could off one before.

They did a lot but that is a big one that goes unnoticed somehow. As if we could trust these politicians and institutionalists to change numbers honestly. Figures Don't Lie, But Liars Do Figure.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's like everyone is rolling over—complaining as they do it, but rolling over nonetheless.

American here.

As best I can tell, you have just perfectly described 'The American Way', as it actually exists.

We've got all our idols and heroes we love, for being rebellious badasses... but we miss the point that they ultimately fail in achieving anything other than being smug.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A common behavioral response seen in abuse victims is called "fawning." They remain with their abuser, stuck in a state of learned helplessness, and quietly accept the abuse because it's safer than resisting.

The last I checked, it's wrong to blame the abuse victim for how they respond to the abuse. So why is that different when it happens at societal scale?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, true. Pearl Jam - Better Man is all about that.

But in this case, there's no individual blame, and all those in trouble are well aware, judging by their constant complaining about it. When speaking about Americans, people are more speaking to their democracy, their constitution, their identity, and wondering where all that annoying "USA! USA! USA!" attitude has gone.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

The annoying "USA! USA! USA!" attitude has gone full fascist and is currently waging war against constitutional democracy, rule of law, and innocent civilians.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

even from the populus, is astounding.

People are protesting and getting murdered by ice for it.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yep.

I know this is new for your country, but... Yep. Not even exercising the constituin yet. Early days.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fanone has the most amazing Baltimore/Dundalk accent. He's not a DC native, he's from Baltimore. That, and he's wearing a Dropkick Murphy's shirt in front of the committee. Dude is a total bad ass.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Aw shit, I didn't even clock the shirt, that is fucking awesome, haha!

[–] alpha1beta@piefed.social 24 points 1 week ago

He also flipped him the bird.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

They back the blue like they support the troops.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago

All of these MAGAs who are trying to rationalize and blame others for the Insurrection, are complicit in it as well. When the Insurrection is finally brought to court, every one of these TRAITORS should also be brought up on charges, prosecuted, and sentenced to YEARS in prison. Even just repeating the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen should prohibit them from ever holding office under 14A/Sec3.

MAGA must be declared a serious National Security Threat, and a Domestic Terror Organization and abolished. All MAGAs must be declared Domestic Terrorists, and purged from the government at every level, and any allegiance to MAGA in the future will prohibit them from running for office.

We cannot allow MAGA to continue to destroy American Democracy. When politicians take an oath to protect America from threats, foreign and domestic, THIS is exactly what it means. They have to follow their oaths, or get out of office.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol now the guys just doing their jobs are the problem. Shocking. One can only hope all the cops and people associated with the people who got hurt that day no longer support them and learned something.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

They still do and they didn't.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Watching the video, this gop lawmaker is a traitor to the US. Not that it's any of my business, but what does the US do with traitors?

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I think they get high ranking government jobs

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

NVFARA Never Vote For Any Republican Again

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just another victim of Trump detergent syndrome smh my head

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

BECKY what IS JOHNs NUMER GOD BLESS

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 week ago
[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

No! It's only ok if the king says it!

Some trump worshipper will say this eventually.

[–] garth@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

How long until Fanone is labeled a "traitor" and disappeared by ICE?