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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

“If we don’t hold people to account when they commit crimes, it sends a message that those crimes are okay, that our society accepts that … it can endanger our election process, it can endanger election workers, and ultimately our democracy,” Smith said.

I'm not American, but this seems to be the current state over there already. The lack of consequence, even from the populus, is astounding. It's like everyone is rolling over—complaining as they do it, but rolling over with little resistance.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All because bad leadership. Where were the rallies in DC demanding action on punishing the coup? Why were there not indictments hitting the ground running on january 20?

Biden did not even fire the army generals that refused to back up the capitol until it was clear the coup would fail, one of which was Michael Flynn's brother. Let alone recall Flynn himself and court martial him. They let hundreds of threats against election officials that crossed the line go unpunished, and they allowed the weak prosecution of January 6 rioters to go on, did not push back when the cop that died had causes attributed to other factors than the rioters, no conseuqences for the capitol police being purposefully abandoned, for them to be removed from their riot gear, back up. None of the institutional players involved were punished.

All because we trusted Biden, and democrats still do, that is the most damning part. Even now most will argue vociferously that he did the best he could, as if there was no bully pulpit, as if the president doesn't have a duty to make sure captured federal agencies across the board but especially the Justice Department, fulfill their statutory duties, firing their captors and appointing people that would.

It would take too long to go over half of the grievances just related to the 3 month revolving coup attempt in 2020, to say nothing of the rest.

We need leadership, and these dumb motherfuckers (democratic sheep,) still trust the establishment. I don't get it, we must all be getting dosed with compliance inducing pollutants and taxoplasmosis brain infections for some. What other explanation could there be?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Germany lost WWII, but fascism won it."

-George Carlin.

You're seeing the results of over 80 years of planning by ghouls.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

That appears to be true. Although this long game to fascisize the west really was a long game implemented in 1971 in the business round table in a first iteration of this long game, there were previous attempts but they failed and this one succeeded.

From then, from the 70's, everything went to shit, including notably the value of our work. They changed inflation to understate it, and we've been taking pay cuts every year without knowing it, averaging 5-8 percent a year average just by 2008 under the old metric, and 2-3 percent under the new. Any job paid for life, for an entire family, by the 80's, it didn't. Now you can't live as well on 4 minimum wage jobs as a family could off one before.

They did a lot but that is a big one that goes unnoticed somehow. As if we could trust these politicians and institutionalists to change numbers honestly. Figures Don't Lie, But Liars Do Figure.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's like everyone is rolling over—complaining as they do it, but rolling over nonetheless.

American here.

As best I can tell, you have just perfectly described 'The American Way', as it actually exists.

We've got all our idols and heroes we love, for being rebellious badasses... but we miss the point that they ultimately fail in achieving anything other than being smug.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A common behavioral response seen in abuse victims is called "fawning." They remain with their abuser, stuck in a state of learned helplessness, and quietly accept the abuse because it's safer than resisting.

The last I checked, it's wrong to blame the abuse victim for how they respond to the abuse. So why is that different when it happens at societal scale?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, true. Pearl Jam - Better Man is all about that.

But in this case, there's no individual blame, and all those in trouble are well aware, judging by their constant complaining about it. When speaking about Americans, people are more speaking to their democracy, their constitution, their identity, and wondering where all that annoying "USA! USA! USA!" attitude has gone.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

The annoying "USA! USA! USA!" attitude has gone full fascist and is currently waging war against constitutional democracy, rule of law, and innocent civilians.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

even from the populus, is astounding.

People are protesting and getting murdered by ice for it.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yep.

I know this is new for your country, but... Yep. Not even exercising the constituin yet. Early days.