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Star Trek: Discovery S3E12 "There Is A Tide..."
I haven't actually watched the new show or anything (no untagged spoilers in this thread, please), but this is the general vibe that I get from reading comments from people who have.
Yeah but so was VOY. It got there .
I'm not giving NuTrek any more chances. They already tried with 5 series and 1 movie. It's never going to "get there".
You say that in the presence of Lower Decks?? you peasant
I don't like Lower Decks one bit. Cheap low brow humour and it still gets plenty wrong about Star Trek, just for the sake of a gag or the creation of drama.
The closest we got to something aligning properly with Star Trek is Prodigy, of all things.
Like a fresh turd covered in glitter.
I don't like that the premise is the same as micheal from discover.
Gets in trouble. Gets a chance at proving themselves after solving a problem that no one else could.
They really should have come up with something else.
But it's fine.
I was kind of getting a "Harry Potter but scifi" vibe from the second episode.
Shenanigans followed by magic fix (slime). And the little magic holograms that pop up conveniently.
Oh and student teacher rivalry.
Yeah definitely a Hogwarts vibe. Or The magicians. But scifi.
I thought in the first episode the acting was a little rough but hey, watch the first season of tng, it's rough too.
I'm still open to seeing more.
I'm not one of those trekies who hate anything that isn't tos or TNG.
I like all of it except enterprise. And that's mostly cause I really don't like the captain. And I don't know why but I don't. And I can't get over it.
I even mostly liked Picard. Especially the 1st season. Kinda downhill after that.
There's plenty to critique in every series. Plenty of inconsistencies.
But I still enjoy the world building and stories.
My biggest complaint is all of the stairs. Why are there so many stairs?
It's because how dare they risk that good boy to cordry rocks and the other dangers of space?
Does seem rather ableist.
They also have elevators
As someone who has attended a few colleges and universities- there are stairs flipping everywhere. Even outside.
Like they couldn't level the campus grounds , no ?
Stairs.
Stairs into buildings. Stairs inside the buildings. Stairs in the parking garages. Stairs outside on the grounds by any buildings.
Stairs stairs and more stairs.
I swear it was intended to wear out the students to keep them from having too much energy on their hands. Or maybe intended to keep students in shape. Idk.
I can only assume the show creators visited universities (especially older campuses) and tried to be authentic.
But maybe they’re magic sci-fi stairs…
Like, not just an escalator, but a levitation ramp or some such? Could be fun.
It would use fields or something to do different things for different people; an escalator for some, a wheelchair life for others, normal stairs for those who choose, but for Miles O’Brien’s transporter clone stuck in the 32nd century, it sets the gravity to 10x and forces him to crawl with all his might to the stairs’ control panel. This happens once a week.
I've been holding out hope that during his tenure at the Academy (into the 25th century), that he'd made headmaster and get trapped/forced into a golum or photonic body. The suffering possibilities are endless.
His consciousness is uploaded after death into a torture simulation by a curious computer with emerging sentience for several hundred years a la I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream; when the computer finally learns its lesson and builds a new body for O’Brien’s backup consciousness, he just gets right back to work, centuries of technological progress be darned.
The series practically writes itself.
It's a high school drama in a Starfleet academy. It barely counts as SciFi and every scene is melodrama. There are two star Trek princesses and a street rat main male character whose an idiot but somehow also a genius and of course, extremely hot, and is immediately in a love triangle with princesses. Every position of authority at the academy is held by a woman and the head of the academy spends part every scene showing you how cool and non-conventional she is by being completely unprofessional. This show is a startrek soap opera.
Every position of authority at the academy is held by a woman
Ew! Star Trek gots GIRLS in it? Gross!!
Hey, remember when Star Trek used to be mixed?
The protagonist is a dude...
It's simply notable that it was a choice by the writers to do so.
There are even gaaaaays!!!! Oh noes!!!
Thank you, totally agree.
The school drama between the cadet-guys was so forced and the officers acted irresponsible, sometimes even incompetent.
It also felt more like a mix of Hogwarts in space and Xavier's school for gifted youngsters.
Why can't they start their training on earth instead of flying through open space with a minimal crew and lots of kids without any qualification and without any permission on the ship?
SAM is the photonic version of season 1 Disco Tilly.
Lura Thok (number one) reminded me of Lt. Commander Bortus from Orville.
This thread is convincing me to give it a try. I can't stand any show whose entire plot revolves around "adults are idiots and do stupid illogical unrealistic shit but the kids are smart and insightful and smarter than everyone."
"Series of Unfortunate Events" is obviously that to the point it is really satire, and thar's cool enough. But then you've got Harry Potter. Holy shit it hurts. Wednesday was the same thing and turned me off in the second season. Don't even bring up Stranger Things. I give that one kinda a pass because it was meant to recapture the 80s nostalgia of things like The Goonies, which, to its credit at least didn't rely on incompetent adults to advance every story line.
This one got away from me...
I think people who like Disco will like Starfleet Academy.
The premier had some neat parts, but I think the structure, pacing and writing of the show have moved away from something I easily recognize as Star Trek and at the end, I was left more confused than interested in more.
It took me far longer than I want to admit to understand you meant Discovery, and weren't making a snarky comparison between those that like this show and those that enjoy Disco music.
Yeah, I think I'll skip it tbh. Discovery was a chore to watch.
I hated disco, academy is surprisingly ok so far.
Thx for sharing, I was considering never watching because I can barely watch discovery, and right now I am not subscribed to Paramount.
I guess I'll try a trailer or something torrented.
I watched the first episode (it's on Youtube). After reading a the shit talked about it online already, I wasn't sure what to expect. I honestly enjoyed it. It is not TNG/DS9/Voyager/etc, but it was well done. The actors, the characters, all have potential. It is no longer tethered to any other show/ship/character, so they have the freedom to do something new. I am encouraged.
I’m very happy with Academy so far, but I’m upvoting due the quality meme.
I feel there was a targeted campaign against this show before it even came out. So many videos appearing in my algorithm saying how bad it was and how it’s doomed and how it’s failed etc.
I’ve already found it better than Discovery. And it’s not as bad as I was expecting. It’s still fast paced and wish it would slow down a little, and if the camera could stay still for more than 1 second that would be great.
But besides that, is decent.
STD isn't exactly a high bar. I've seen terrible series that were better than STD, so essentially what you're telling me, this is still a terrible series.
There's a targeted campaign against every new Trek series.
From the very beginning. People back in the day were complaining that not only was this Patrick Stewart some poncy theatre bloke instead of someone with real television experience, but he was bald, for goodness sakes.
Except that they were correct at being skeptical, and season 1 TNG was crap. Huge improvement came already in season 2, and people started liking it.
How many series has NuTrek had? How many total seasons? Yeah, it's still complete garbage to this day.
Except that they were correct at being skeptical, and season 1 TNG was crap. Huge improvement came already in season 2, and people started liking it.
Though it wasn't bad because Patrick Stewart was a theatre actor, nor because he was bald. The issues tended to be more with Roddenberry's rules against having interpersonal conflict amongst the crew, or scripts that weren't very good/not written with the TNG crew in mind.
How many series has NuTrek had? How many total seasons? Yeah, it’s still complete garbage to this day.
That is a matter of personal opinion, though. People clearly like it enough that we got multiple shows in the current run, rather than it being put away and forgotten about.
LOL I didn't mention NuTrek. Enterprise, for example, had a LOT of people screaming about how bad it was. It's when I gave up on the Trek fandom - I was tired of the negativity. Like this.
Those videos really exploded in my feed about a week before it came out, and none of them has seen it yet. I don’t know if it’s coordinated or if it’s just the inevitable response of the algorithm rewarding topical hate mongering, but it’s a painfully obvious grift either way.
People having standards = grifting. Right.
Yeah I went to watch one as its title and thumb seemed definitive like they had watched the previews or something. Started watching and it was clear they had not seen anything besides stills.
Star Trek needs some time off. I enjoyed these two episodes but after the Section 31 "movie", and the quality of it all the past few years... It just needs to go away and find a new creative team.
Yesterday I watched a few minutes of the first episode. I was very confused, I guess I missed a few shows.
Is this show centred around a single character again?
No, it seems like it will follow a gaggle of students, but the premier starts with setting up the dark backstory of one of them in an over the top way and it takes forever. Eventually they get to Starfleet Academy.
No worries if you found it confusing. Every few seconds there's a baffling decision displayed, so it kinda short circuits the brain and makes it hard to pay attention.
I shut it off the first time I tried to watch it. Seems like the first half of the premier could have been a flashback in season 2.