It is inappropriate to suggest, in the middle of a Mossad/US hasbara operation, to provide suggestions for Iran governance. Permitting Zionazi speech results in Zionazi rule in democracies. Whether you said something dumb instead of hasbara, referring to Mossad paid rioters as protestors was the faux pas that overstepped their senstivities.
Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Posting Guidelines
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rules
- Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
- Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
- If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
Relevant comms
Regarding the original comment, I don't believe it deserves deletion, let alone a lifetime ban. In my opinion, it was written in good faith and is in no way propaganda. As for the Crimethinc article, it's clearly not "imperialist propaganda" as well, but rather wishful thinking. If you read it carefully, you can easily conclude that there is no third "leftist" option for Iran, since the article fails to do the most important thing – name those "leftist orgs in Iran" that could have a real impact and that "need international solidarity now". When Iran truly could have taken a different path – in the late 1970s and early 1980s – there were many diverse leftist organizations, ranging from Tudeh to MEK, from Fadaiyan-e-Khalq to Sarbedaran, that waged open war against both the Shah's and the Ayatollahs' regimes. Nothing like that exists now, and the Crimethinc article actually confirms this, regardless of the authors' intentions. So, in modern Iran, there is nothing but a few left-leaning individuals with very limited ability to influence anything, and the choice is only between a brutal theocracy and a Trump-loving shahzadeh.
Firmly a PTB. Holy shit .ml is never going to ever stop being like this. "Left unity" once again just means Anarchists have to obey MLs, and MLs never have to listen to anarchists.
PTB.
But it’s .ml, they only care about pushing propaganda and hate non-ML leftist viewpoints.
Also CrimeThinc are fucking awesome and everyone should go check out the great work they do.
I lean Leninist and am frequently banned from there as well. What they espouse is fundamentally un-Marxist
Also CrimeThinc are fucking awesome and everyone should go check out the great work they do.
I listened to the audioversion of the article another time and it's chef's kiss.
PTB. Geneva is a bit of a nutjob and this is far from surprising behaviour from them. You won't miss much from being banned from any community they moderate.
That one was kinda interesting, though.
The contents of the shared article make this ban extra ironic:
And, of course, there are the pseudo-left campists—the self-styled “anti-imperialists”—who whitewash the Islamic Republic’s dictatorship by projecting an anti-imperialist mask onto its façade. They cast doubt on the legitimacy of the current protests by repeating the tired accusation that “an uprising under these conditions is nothing but playing on the field of imperialism,” because they can only read Iran through the lens of geopolitical conflict—as if every revolt is merely a US–Israeli project in disguise. In doing so, they deny the political subjectivity of the people of Iran and grant the Islamic Republic discursive and political immunity as it massacres and represses its own population.
PTB. Campists are already labeling the whole thing as "color revolution" and desperatelly trying to defend the brutal Theocracy currently murdering thousands in the streets. So this is expected at this point.
Pre-emptive to whom it may concern: Don't @ me with your shit takes about how I'm blindly supporting US imperialism.
Seems solid ptb to me. But yes, I don't think there's much likelihood of getting it reversed. You made the cardinal sin of calling for leftist aid for the people of Iran against their murderous anti west government. Which by the transitive property of being anti west, means that the power structure of the government is the good guy and victim here.
I knew the moment our hypocritical dumbass opened his mouth certain groups would use it to delegitimize the protests. But this is a learning opportunity. To understand who your actual allies are, and who's just reactionarily anti west.
Tankies if they existed back in 1917, probably: the Tsar isn’t perfect by any stretch, but he’s doing all he can to oppose and stop the imperialist Kaiser! The so called People’s Soviets and Lenin are just agents of the imperial enemy attempting to install their own puppet!
I'm not sure where I got this info. But I think I readonce that even Kropotkin argued for fighting the Kaiser.
Oh I’m mocking modern campists, saying they’d probably support the establishment over a people’s revolution, if they were around back then. Probably should have made that more clear. And you’re right, Kropotkin was one of the signatories of the Manifesto of the Sixteen supporting the Entente.
Yeah, I got that. Just wanted to share trivia. (:
Here me out. Many of the 'tankies' on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad are not actually tankies. People use that insult far too much.
It's often giving them too much credit.
Here's an excerpt from a relevant article:
Many of the 'leftists' you encounter online fall for the bullshit, as long as it's anti-western. The esthetic is enough for them because they are invariably young, dumb, naive, immature and/or privileged. For them debating politics is a hobby, not a cry for help or a fight for survival. It's fashionable and often a phase. They are nothing more than cosplay communists, who pop a Lenin avatar in their profile, but have no grasp of history or Marxism-Leninism. They're justifiably critical of western capitalism, they watched a streamer, they watched some tiktoks, and have come to the conclusion that any regime that is anti-western is necessarily better. This results in them knowingly and unknowingly parrotting the propaganda of anti-communists, theocrats and outright fascists.
They aren't like the tankies who supported the Soviets for ideological reasons, who were often willing to overlook or in denial about what happened in Hungary or Tiananmen. My grandparents were like that, and I could understand why they had a hard time accepting that the USSR and China were less than perfect, they had pinned all their hopes on them, and were living in a pre-internet age where western media bias went largely uncontested, and western imperial crimes went unpunished.
Cosplay communists may lie (to themselves and others) that they are critical of authoritarian capitalist states that wrap themselves in the hammer and sickle, but still mindlessly regurgitate the narratives of these billionaire oligarch run states like the useful idiots they are. If you're genuinely left-wing, it can be comforting to think of these people as allies or make excuses for them, but it's important to realize that they are not. They aren't actual allies, just contrarian parrots.
To be clear, this comment does not apply to actual communists. Thank you for attending my lecture. There will be no time for questions.
The esthetic is enough for them because they are invariably young, dumb, naive, immature and/or privileged.
You're wrong on that. Many MLs are plenty reasonable and mature in general. They're just misguided. We're better than these paternalistic insults.
Also, you're constantly skirting uncomfortably close to ableist insults for this instance. You have to stop painting people you disagree as unintelligent. There's plenty of other ways to make your point.
We’re better than these paternalistic insults.
Condescending or patronizing. Paternalistic implies benevolent intent, not contempt.
:)
IKR? I'm Antiathoritarian and Anti-Vanguard Party. If the CCP decided to help overthrow Trump, I would accept their help. They would still be next, but I would accept their help.
Let me preface with saying Iran is indeed an authoritarian regime that killed many opposition. But Iran is rightfully anti west . The US and British did a coup and put the the shah instead who killed many people and when Iranians took back control of their country and kicked out the western agents the west retaliated with sanctions .
If the west want to be liked it should stop supporting settler colonialism, it should stop being complicit with multiple conflicts and genocides around the world
Oh, I never implied otherwise, and I agree 100%. But that doesn't make the government good. It's possible to be anti west, but not repressive and slaughtering your citizens in the street.
It'll be interesting to see the narratives change, if the regime in Iran falls.
I'm not on twitter, but I was reading that a lot of Scottish pro-independence accounts suddenly went quiet, when Iran closed down the internet.
I assume they've also infiltrated leftist spaces.
Yes, that's happened with other groups and I would expect no difference here. I remember reading just a few weeks ago about some internet outage over in Europe taking out a large chunk of maga posters and influencers. It's an attack the United States famously used as well.
Your first mistake was posting in lemmy.ml
I've tried blocking the instance but it keeps showing up anyway, so now I just block each community when I see it pop up
that's because lemmy does not have actual blocking, for some reason. you need to move to a piefed instance.
Then why does it give me an option for it, if it doesn't actually do anything?
Does piefed instance block .ml?
it does block some things, it just doesn't block everything completely. it's more of a filter than a block, from what I understand.
Does piefed instance block .ml?
if you are on a piefed instance and block a domain, then every person and community from that domain is totally blocked. nothing any of their users post will ever appear to you, and none of their communities will ever show up. it's a total and complete block of everything from them, everywhere.
there's also filtering options. for example, if I never wanted to see anything about Elon Musk, I could add a filter for Elon and Musk and then any posts or comments that mention those words could be either hidden or made so that they show up semi-transparent. I could make it so the filter only applies on the home page, or also in all communities.
honestly, piefed is just a much better option than lemmy. it's much more feature rich, and way more flexible than lemmy will likely ever be. the only downside is that there is only a couple mobile clients that have experimental support for piefed. the most popular is voyager.
PTB, although I can’t say I’m surprised with the comm name. It’s annoying that so many leftist spaces just end up being campist authcom echo chambers
PTB - Power Tripping Bots
This seems like the normal ideological purging that takes place in any externally managed echochamber.
Remember, data scientists have proven that around 30% of all posts and comments leading up to the US election in 2020 were from automated accounts managed by threat actors linked to Russia, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Those same data analysis tools indicate that in the post-LLM era bot traffic has grown 10x since then.
We know that the strategy of these groups is to occupy, support and promote the most extreme positions on any topic.
It stands to reason that these same threat groups are active on Lemmy and that should make you INCREDIBLY skeptical when you encounter an account/community/instance that displays extreme ideology. You're never going to win an argument with them, because they're not people who are trying to defend a position... they're trying to make sure that anybody reading will only see their ~~position~~ propaganda.
This is done by using multiple accounts to post comments along with a brigade of cheap throwaway accounts which can be used for vote manipulation. It doesn't matter if you make a devastating argument that clearly shows the OP/commentor is wrong if you're buried under downvotes so nobody sees your comment.
This also extends to communities/subreddits.
An easy example that most people on the left are familiar with: r/conservative . It's very clearly not an organic subreddit made up of a random assortment of the population, the comment section is so heavily pruned that you think Reddit is broken when you click 'show 28 more comments' and there is nothing there. If you post there with any comment that doesn't imply your tongue is tickling Trump's duodenum you will be banned very quickly.
I look at any instance that houses these extreme opinions in the same way. While I'm sure there are real actual human people who arrived at their position on their own and hold some of the ideas being promoted there, I'm equally sure that there are a huge amount of the 'people' and moderators are operating in bad faith if not outright maliciousness.
Benn Jordan on YT (music/DIY tech youtuber, not a political content creator) lays a lot of this out, with citations: https://youtu.be/GZ5XN_mJE8Y