Putin couldn't be happier by this chaos and distraction from Ukraine. Investment paying off.
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A government spokesperson for Germany also confirmed to Reuters that soldiers would be sent to Greenland on Thursday. The country is expected to deploy over a dozen reconnaissance troops, according to the report.
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This feels like the time Poland sent eight soldiers in with the US invasion of Iraq.
These are advance troops that will figure out logistics, where it makes sense to deploy a bigger force. What they need, and infrastructure.
They are also a deterrent, if german soldiers are killed shit will hit the fan.
Often called "tripwire forces" when they were NATO troops stationed in Eastern Europe. Their purpose is to force the adversary to kill some people before it can take any territory, ensuring that they can't simply make it a fait accompli and hope there will be no further repercussions.
I mean, we'll see. But if the US really is serious about taking Greenland by force, you've got a US military base already on the island that's been running these defense calculations for decades. It's going to be an uphill climb just to reach parity with the Americans on securing the territory. I hope this isn't perfunctory, and someone is asking the question "How do we deal with one or more US aircraft carriers?" seriously.
You mean like that time when a Swedish diesel sub bypassed all the defenses and "sunk" the US carrier?
Or that time when Netherlands sub "sunk" one?
Or that time when Australia "sunk" one?
Or that time when Canada "sunk" one?
Those carriers are far from invincible.
The USA is historically bad at wars - Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea - all lost despite their massive military spending.
The only wars they won in modern times are the ones where they received help from their EU NATO allies.
They're only good at "strike and run away" operations, like the one in Venezuela.
If they can't take Greenland overnight, it will cost them very dearly to go to war with NATO, with no certainty of winning.
To add to this, the US is not that great in the Arctic. To occupy Greenland they need boots on the ground, and they are not equipped or manned to do Arctic land operations. EU + Canada surpass them in that. The US only has the one airborne division that are actually cold weather fighters. They also have far fewer ice breakers and the additional units that they were going to buy from Finland (who makes the best ones in the world) will surely be canceled.
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Are they going to kill German & French troops to do that? If there are UK troops there then goodbye to hundreds of billions in AUKUS $ too.
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Any US carrier strike group can probably sink the entire navy of most countries. This calls for a full NATO response because if it doesn't then I don't know what does
Wasn't it one of the Nordics that 'sunk' an American carried in drills a while back?
It did, and the US considered the outcome so concerning that they requested to lease the submarine (but not install a crew - Swedish sailors would operate it in the US navy). Since those were different times, with only mild insanity among US presidents, Sweden granted the request.
Wikipedia tells us:
Secondment to United States Navy
In 2004, the Swedish government received a request from the United States to lease HSwMS Gotland – Swedish-flagged, commanded and crewed, for one year for use in antisubmarine warfare exercises. The Swedish government granted this request in October 2004, with both navies signing a memorandum of understanding on 21 March 2005.[5][6] The lease was extended for another 12 months in 2006.[7][8][9] In July 2007, HSwMS Gotland departed San Diego for Sweden.[10]
One of? I thought it was several...
Yes, the Swedish diesel electric subs are really quiet and hard to detect in a war game scenario, but that is done with many artificial constraints to the defending CSG, which is tightly packed in a relatively small patch of ocean that the Swedish sub knew and could plan for.
In reality those subs are stealthy only while traveling at 6 knots and the CSG can travel at 30 over vast expanses of water, with an effective strike range of 2000 miles.
Also, in war they're allowed to use high energy sonars that they can't use in a war game because it kills marine animals, which will detect a turd floating 500 miles away (exaggerating here but you get the idea).
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It's not about realistically fighting of the US if they decide to really go for it, but they will have to kill European soldiers if they decide to do so. This would effectively end NATO and the transantlantic partnership.
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It's 13. Germany is sending 13 soldiers. Literally the minimum to be able to say "over a dozen".
Hi. I have to step in about Polish soldiers :p I don't know what you're referring to but there were 2500 Polish soldiers deployed to Iraq, 150 wounded and 28 dead. That was during very hard economic times for Poland, still recovering from communism. Somehow they found money for this and sent them with really shitty equipment (cars “armoured” with bulletproof vests on the doors as protection for example)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_involvement_in_the_Iraq_War
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What? That didn't happen. Poland sent thousands of troops to support the war.
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Europe finally figuring out that they are about to be fighting a two front war against a fascist invasion.
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Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and Canada are sending troops to Greenland
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While it's sad that things have even come to this at all, it's good to hear someone is at least doing the bare minimum to stand up to Trump.
Still no troops for Ukraine.
Sure but Ukraine is not in NATO..
Yeah, pisses me off. The entire defence of Europe falls upon Ukraine's shoulders.
To be fair Greenland belongs to the EU, Ukraine not.
Edit: To be more exact: The people of Greenland belong to the EU, so the EU has a much greater obligation to protect them (in contrast to Ukrainian people).
No, it isn't part of the EU.
It is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, which isn't in the EU. Only Denmark, a country within the Kingdom is in the EU.
However, the citizen of Greenland are citizen of Denmark, thus EU citizen.
But you are right that Greenland has a closer relationship with the EU, then Ukraine. And the EU and allies want to protect its citizens at least. And via its member state Denmark, the constituents of Kingdom of Denmark as well.
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If North Korea can have nukes, Ukraine can have nukes. Every nation in europe should be able to have nukes so long as russia, china, israel, north korea, and america has nukes. Ukraine shoulda kept their nukes, but thats just hindsight. Nato should be giving ukraine nukes, not bodies. Once israel, north korea, russia, america, and china de-nuke (in that order), then we can discuss any further kind of nuclear disarmament. Until that seemingly impossible scenario arises, nuke up, europe.
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Churchill once said of the Old World being endangered and hoping for the New World to step into the rescue.
But now, makes me wonder if the Old World could possibly do the same, but feels like a long shot.
It’s funny, most of the time when you hear it, it’s this quote
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Then it stops.
But the next bit is what you’re referring to
And even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old.
I always thought it was odd because it showed the bond we have.
Anyway we are fucked up as Europe. We are digital colony of USA… everything relies on us companies…
Plus NATO was a great way for most countries to relax on military draft and spending... here's the result.
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I wouldn't send too many troops to Greenland, Putin's not dead yet.
Patrolling the Greenland wastes almost makes you wish for a Mojave winter
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