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Also looks like !Emopunker@feddit.org is playing both sides a little.
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It's difficult for people that have just learned to hate to come to terms with the fact that their allies are complete monsters.
Yeah, the guys that chant "death to Israel" might not be good people. Go figure. They might actually be oppressive assholes using hatred to control people. What's the term for an authoritarian regime that uses hatred and fear to control people? Damn, right on the tip of my tongue...
But don't think too much about what it means to be in a group that hates a certain group of people (but it's a country of people, and also the people that think that country should exist you hate, so it's cool to hate!) and then your allies have just killed 12,000 protesters in a week. Just keep on hating the people you're supposed to hate and don't ever think about things!
Maybe some of the people saying "death to Israel" aren't great, but nobody SUPPORTING Israel is worth consideration.
The way the people are dressed in that pic, it is definitely not Iran. Probably a protest in the US supporting regime change in Iran.
I'm pretty sure Mossad & the US government would back anything destabilizing Iran for that fact alone regardless of what it stood for.
That is something that makes me curious, Tankies have yet to be able to explain why. But Tankies pretend to be progressive, all loving that equality, fairness, recognition and diversity, but are wholly opposed to the nations and states that are supportive and encouraging of progressive values.
Instead they larp about nations and states that entirely oppose progressive values.
The answer as always is "West Bad". No logic involved. If X is anti western then X is good. Likewise they aren't "Progressive" any further than lip service. They value having loosely left aligned economics over everything. The thinnest veneer for it at that since China is state capitalist. And they will sacrifice any freedoms or groups they perceive as a threat to that, to the bourgeoisie vanguard party. They can never be progressive, or socially liberal by their very nature.
I think the real reason they hate liberals so much is that they're jealous of liberalism and they know that they owe their existence to it. They know that without liberalism, they wouldn't be allowed to express themselves, and that frustrates them to no end.
Insecurity, really.
As long as we are going with the social definition of liberalism and not the economic definition. Economic-liberalism can get fucked.
Individual liberty and social freedoms aren't debatable. I would happily debate in good faith for the effectiveness of socialist economic policy for human necessities. With other people that similarly valued social freedom and individual liberties. Before I would support someone that technically supports a limited form of socialist economic policy. But would revoke a persons access to it for disagreeing with some bougie vanguard party.
Absolutely social, yeah.
According to a political test, which I don't take seriously since they're too yank-centric, I'm supposedly between a socialist and a communist.
How do you feel about planned economies? I've been giving it a fair bit of thought recently with the AI slop bubble
Planned economies by the state, burn it with fire. By and with consent of the community/ies, you'd be crazy to do it any other way.
Even planned economies by a democratically elected state? Isn't that the consent of the community?
The problem with states is always human nature. The idea of a democratic state is excellent, the reality much less so. Whether intentional or not. The power continually accumulates, stratifies and insulates from individual and most collective action.
Especially with a state the size of the US. It's no coincidence that half our population doesn't vote due to many obstacles purposefully placed against them. Or abstain because they feel they have no say, and their vote no value. With one quarter desperately trying to accomplish anything good even if misguided. The remaining quarter actively trying to tear everything down because they feel they haven't gotten anything good personally.
Honestly, some mayors have too much power. There definitely shouldn't be others above them. No senators, no governors, no presidents, no kings. The structure of the European Union is infinitely more preferable while still being wildly flawed. Their prime ministers and presidents being closer to our governors in power and scope.
I don't believe the US is a democracy and hasn't been for a while now. I mean the popular vote isn't even what wins the elections, that's kind of the core concept of democracy, no?
Anyways, so if the state was more democratic like the EU or countries with Parliaments you'd consider a planned economy?
More acceptable, but still unacceptable. In the over 30 years of voting in this state, no one I voted for above mayor has made it into office. And many of the ones are seditious, grifting, fascist, enablers. That ladder lover Hawley, should be marched up an extremely tall ladder with a rope around his neck. The rope pulled taut and the ladder kicked out from under him as he's effectively done to so many people.
Not even most Californians would want a president or prime minister newsome
No clue who Hawley is, don't really care to know.
It's insane to me that if you're from a certain area your vote is rendered useless. Really insane system the US has
You may not know the name. But you know this.
As well as this one. Where he ran for his life trying not to shit himself. And still got reelected.
no i dont know that either. im assuming that was during the coup?
Hah, damn you're lucky. And yes. Our national shame.
Yep, him and that shit stain governor Parson sending vaccines for covid to un populated towns in the boot heel first. While first responders and service industry people in KC and STL fell. If I was a particularly religious person, I would pray for hell to exist and for them to all end up there being pumped full of Ebola daily and left untreated. Ebola or something worse perhaps.
I don't understand why you guys haven't started shooting and revolting yet. Are you guys hoping that Trump and his like are just going to concede the next election loss?
The current waste of space in the govenor's mansion is much more low key, Kehoe. And Hawley I think is looking to make his exit. Locally people are circling the wagons against national republicans and their gestapo. Only time will tell.
Tankies are supporting Iran?
They didn't get the memo when the theocratic faction assassinated all the leftists that had been their allies during the revolution so that they could make a right-wing theocracy instead of something leftist. The CIA-backed regime was removed, so because tankies have 'read theory' and the theory they've read says revolutions always go well, Iran must surely be a socialist state well on its way to becoming a communist utopia.
They support anything that opposes the US
I think it's moreso the west in general. They hate the EU too, and the commonwealth
They just take whatever position advances China's geopolitical presence the most.
Or Jews.
It's interesting how all extremists hate a mutual hatred of jews. Horseshoe theory and all that shit
Dude is like "Well the alternative is being colonized by Israel and US."
Seriously, it is possible to not lick any boots.
They love the boot
And Iran isn't a colonizer with Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, and various other groups operating around the Middle East just fucking things up for everyone else?
Or do you just use the word "colonizer" to dehumanize people of ethnicities that you hate?
So, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that part of US support for Israel is to have a destabilizing force in the Middle East. Israel and the US both backed various forces in Syria and Lebanon, because it serves the purpose of destabilization to have basket case pseudo states that are crippled by internal conflict. It would not be a stretch to argue that Mossad has sponsored at least some of the groups involved in the current uprising in Iran.
However, if there was not a popular movement against the current theocratic regime, mossad would have nothing to sponsor. Cuba didn’t rise up in revolt against Castro despite tons of CIA funding because the majority of Cubans (the ones who stayed in Cuba at least) felt that whatever Castro’s faults, his government was better than whatever the US would put in place.
The issue in Iran is that (like in Syria a few years ago, or in…Iran in 1978) you could have a situation where multiple groups want the current regime gone but don’t agree on what comes next. That’s what happened in Syria which led to a dozen or more factions fighting for control, and it’s what happened when the Shah was overthrown in Iran, leading to the current theocracy.
I don't doubt that Mossad is fanning the flames, but I think it is ridiculous to claim that millions of protestors are Mossad sponsored.
Instead of looking at "circumstantial evidence", maybe just crack open a history book?
The US was trying to get Egypt to align with it for decades. Egypt being the most populous country was influential and had a larger military than other countries in the region. After the Suez Crisis, the US demanded Israel return the Sinai back to Egypt in their efforts to get Egypt on their side.
Of course these efforts bore not fruit, Egypt was playing both sides (US and USSR). So by the time of the Six Day war when Israel took the Sinai again, The US did nothing about it.
The Yom Kippur war was where things changed. Israel had the Egyptian army encircled and the Egyptian regime couldn't stay in power without a military. Israel had Egypt by the balls. With the Camp David Accords, Egypt got the Sinai back, and agreed to align with the US, and agreed to make peace with Israel. US agreed to provide foreign aid (ie. weapons) to both Egypt and Israel. With more going to Israel to keep Egypt honest.
So no need for circumstantial evidence... the US backs countries with strong militaries that agree to be aligned with the US.
In 2010 a bunch of diplomatic cables leaked. You can read what governments in the Middle East actually think about Israel. TL;DR They don't care. Iran is a bigger threat to them, and that's what they really worry about most. And Iran is a country that chants "death to America" regularly, so not exactly friendly to the US.
It's in the US interests to have countries that have capable militaries that are aligned with US interests (ie. adversaries of Iran) in the region. That means fewer US military assets are needed in the region to counter Iran.
In the summer of 2023 Saudi Arabia was very close to establishing formal relations with Israel. While not exactly a formal alliance, but there would be an understanding that they would work together to counter Iran. This was something the Biden administration was pushing for so there would be relative stability in the Middle East and the US would not be as directly involved in there going forward. Something that would be best for everyone.
Then October 7 happened.
Israel is not the destabilizing force you're basing your circumstantial evidence on. Iran is the destabilizing force of the Middle East. The Ayatollah regime provides material support for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Peace in the region is not in their interests, because it's not Israel that's the one other countries in the region worry about. If it weren't for the actions of Hamas (an Iranian proxy) there would be peace between Israel and many more of the countries in the region.
The Ayatollah's regime has massacred over 12,000 Iranian people in the last week. They're the real monsters in the region. If you want peace in the Middle East you'll be hoping they'll be overthrown.