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I need help finding sources about "Israel" being a colonizing entity from the start to send a potential comrade. Search engines are useless so I'm having trouble finding the stuff I've read (hexbear.net)
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Like the title says, I'd love some links to good anti-Zionist talking points if possible, especially wrt the zionist entity's conception. I'm talking to a somewhat left leaning Jewish friend and I think I can get them fully on board with anti-Zionism (they don't agree with what the government is doing right now but they said they don't know much about how the entity was founded) and I want to give them some more sources on some stuff but I realized that I literally couldn't find anything other than like one article I was looking for with online search engines.

If anyone has proof of the first president of Israel saying that he wants to colonize Palestine and also that one old headline saying that Israel will colonize Palestine, that would be fantastic. Also, if anyone has anything on hand showing how Israel has historically abused the Jewish Palestinians who refused to become Israeli that would also help a lot.

Thank you so much in advance for your help and I'll definitely make sure to save more of my sources in the future 07

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago

How could it not be a colonizing entity when by its nature setting it up displaces the people already there

Palestine already existed and was full of Palestinians and the UK just went "nah this is Israel now"

[–] bestmiaou@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

this course by Rashid Khalidi, an Palestinian academic who has focused his work on the history of Palestine, is a great introduction to the history of colonizing Palestine: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpc6eFEd8ot8aZ-1u3RXJmlyrzbDpsxH

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 7 points 12 hours ago

The Naqba (more specifically the first one) is described in Wikipedia as "the ethnic cleansing by Israel of Palestinian Arabs through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations". This is happening since 1948.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 3 points 10 hours ago

Look up the Belfour declaration. After WW1, the British wanted middle eastern oil, a gateway to the middle east in the Mediterranean, and to pick the bones of the ottoman empire. And when I say "British," at the time, they were a global imperial colonial hegemon. When they drew up the map of the middle east, they did so with the idea of a foothold nation on the mediterranean. The Zionist movement was a reckonable political force, the justification for the creation of the state (the Naqba) is usually attributed to the horrors of ww2, but the fix was in 30 years prior. 19th century antisemitism was pretty awful, so there was a lot of political will, and a just reasoning behind it, but it was still an imperialist maneuver by the west to destabilize and control resources of the east. Jewish people were being moved in to Palestine for decades before the naqba as a part of this larger plan.

[–] oliveoil@hexbear.net 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cJeSJX9Gj2c

Nazism and Zionism, how the two helped each other and were inspired by each other's works.

How Zionism and Israel's first head of state let countless die in the Holocaust for the prospect of saving a few more Zionists to help colonize Palestine.

[–] OffSeasonPrincess@hexbear.net 15 points 15 hours ago

[–] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

thelemmy.club/c/FuckZionism Check the very first posts.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 9 points 17 hours ago

Also indulged in one of my unwise habits by randomly perusing a collection of primary documents I don't have all the context to understand. It can be dangerous because you can easily misunderstand or misconstrue. Searched the UN documents archive for items relating to Palestine or Israel with the word "colonize". (Quality of the OCR is mid.) Here is the earliest hit:

UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE. VOLUME 4 : REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY : ANNEX B : ORAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT PRIVATE MEETINGS - A/364/ADD.3 dated 01/01/1947. Original is linked in the top right corner as a zip archive containing various languages. NL471672.PDF is english.

a few passages

green highlighting is stuff most directly relevant to your questions (as I interpreted them) while yellow is just what I thought was interesting for my own reasons.

pg 31

pg 37

pg 38

pg 38-39

pg 40

pg 41

I find it interesting going back to 1947 and seeing how everything that created the present situation was already in place. I've looked at other UN committee or assembly docs from mid-century. Even though they were created for specific contemporary situations, they're pretty much legible and you see the consistent threads running through them.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 13 points 19 hours ago

I didn't know there were ambivalent lib jews anymore. How have they managed that?

I bet Norman Finklestein has that information somewhere. How detailed of an answer are you looking for? Sounds like something introductory to start?

What is the significance of the word "colony" being used specifically? I found for you this on natopedia Zionism as settler colonialism. You should open the footnotes.

spoiler

Background

Image: Members of the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association in Palestine c.1920–1925

Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann wrote in his autobiography that at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference he had spoken to US Secretary of State Robert Lansing of "the hope that by Jewish immigration, Palestine would ultimately become as Jewish as England is English" and described how he had taken as his example "the outstanding success which the French had at that time made of Tunisia." "What the French could do in Tunisia," Weizmann said, "the Jews would be able to do in Palestine".[22][23] Anthropologist Scott Atran wrote of this comparison between Zionism and French colonialism in Tunisia that "whereas direct French colonial rule sought to utilize, rather than displace, the fellah's labor (Poncet 1962), Zionist colonization had no use for Arab labor, at least in principle".[24]

In 1948, 750,000 Palestinians fled or were forcibly displaced from the area that became Israel, and 500 Palestinian villages, as well as Palestinian-inhabited urban areas, were destroyed.[25][26] Although considered by some Israelis to be a "brutal twist of fate, unexpected, undesired, unconsidered by the early [Zionist] pioneers", some historians have described the Nakba as a campaign of ethnic cleansing.[25] In the aftermath of the Nakba, Palestinian land was expropriated on a large scale and Palestinian citizens of Israel were encircled in specific areas.[27][28]

In a 1956 speech, Israeli Chief of Staff Moshe Dayan stated in regards to Palestinian political violence: "Who are we that we should argue against their hatred? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza and, before their very eyes we turn into our homestead the land and the villages in which they and their forefathers have lived. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and the cannon we cannot plant a tree and build a home."[29][30]

Arnon Degani argues that ending military rule over Israel's Palestinian citizens in 1966 shifted from colonial to settler-colonial governance.[31] After the Israeli capture of the Golan Heights in 1967, there was a nearly complete ethnic cleansing of the area, leaving only 6,404 Syrians out of about 128,000 who had lived there before the war. They had been forced out by campaigns of intimidation and forced removal, and those who tried to return were deported. After the Israeli capture of the West Bank, about 250,000 of 850,000 inhabitants fled or were expelled.[32]

Jewish Alternatives to Zionism: A Partial History

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 29 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Direct link to the article here, anyone wanna do that magic archiving thing

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago

I salute you, valued technowizard catgirl-salute

[–] marc_shirley@lemmy.ml 21 points 22 hours ago

The first zionist Congress in basel was way before the Holocaust so to say colonizing Palestine was a result of it is not true, also the original zionists led by Martin buber were not in favor of colonization rather it was supposed to be a collective of farming communes both Arab and Jewish, the state was supposed to be one bi-national Jewish and Arab state not a Jewish state etc. That all pretty much came out of the British Jewish group i forgot the name right now but there was like a British and Jewish panel that made all the decisions for Palestine under the British mandate.

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago

Here's a decent read from the Guardian 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks