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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7245034

You dont Hate Amerikkkans enough amerikkka

by Qwarzu on twitter

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[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Imma be honest... It's hard to argue with this one.

Americans (i would type it your way but my autocorrect) like to have their cake and eat it too. We typically say, "We don't agree with this thing" when somewhere around 50% of the country or more agrees with that thing.

There's a really old episode of South Park called I'm a Little Bit Country about the Iraq war and the dichotomy of political groups. Conservatives and proggressives realize they are giving eachother cover.

Even though America always seems to do the worst thing in the world at the time, there are so many people in the country who audibly and visually don't like it, that they get to feel like it's being done to THEM as well.

We Americans are both the perpetrators and the victims! We are powerless, but our voices matter! It's all a part of the golden handcuff package that keeps most people comfortable enough to do nothing.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I wonder how many Americans are going to realize that there really isn't that big of a difference between Russia invading Ukraine and the US invading Venezuela.

Oh right, they also kidnapped its head of state. And they were upfront about it being for their own gain.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

The only difference is that the US was way more successful. It's literally identical to what Putin tried with Zelenskyy in the opening days of the Russo-Ukraine war.

Unfortunately, I think most Americans would lose a memory contest against a goldfish, so they can't recognize the parallels.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

many Americans aren't smart enough to form a thought they didn't get from Fox news.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

many Americans aren’t smart enough to form a thought

ftfy

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

many Americans aren’t

If we're talking about the internet.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I mean, one big difference is that Venezuela, unlike Ukraine, wasn't violating ceasefire agreements to continue ethnic cleansing.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

if you're american seeking to flee now even if you yourself are not in danger, you are participating in a neoliberal colonial project. stay and help your vulnerable neighbors. you will do more to help venezuela and queer people by staying put, getting active, and studying groups like the zapatistas than you can by going to a future vassal state

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Both deserve the cudgel, with the difference that the russian populace actually risk something if they protest, but the american populace is so silent on this you can hear the crickets.

[–] Bad@jlai.lu 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 7 points 2 days ago

this really smugged my ideology

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

LOL, Russia brutality crushes protest and America doesn't. Point Russia? You guys are hilarious.

The reality in America is a bit more complicated. There are two kinds of protests, those that are pointless and easily brushed aside, and those that might actually achieve something.

America sets up "free speech zones" and a whole myriad of laws to make sure the second kind of protest is always illegal, and it has no problem using brutality to shut them down.

Protest in America is almost always performative and relatively pointless. What matters is political activism and educating and energizing voters. That's the only thing that has ever made a difference in the US. For protest to be effective at all it has to move voters, but opportunities to do that with corporate media pushing back are rare.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago

this 100%. i've been shot by rubber bullets on 6 separate occasions as the police made protective circles around nazis to make them safe. even at those free speach zones, bring everything you need to diffuse riot control equipment just in case things get weird because they just well might.

our militarized police forces LOVE kettling people, beating them, and pepper spraying them. come prepared even if you think the protest you're going to is safe

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

LOL, Russia brutality crushes protest and America doesn't. Point Russia? You guys are hilarious.

That user is saying that the fact that Russians face more danger for protesting means that any lack of protest reflects less poorly on Russian people than on Americans who face less danger, not that this is a win for the Russian government.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So people who live in a country aren't responsible for the actions of their government? Then why hold the American people responsible for Venezuela? Why should they be expected to protest? The government just does what it does.

Russia brutality suppresses dissent because, at some level, the Russian people and culture accepts it. A handful of rulers can't control a much larger population unless that population at some level consents. Millions of individual self interested decisions form the web that keeps everyone in line. That's true in Russia, and it's true in America.

Also, as I pointed out, brutal suppression also happens in America, it's just that the elites use different tools to make protest irrelevant, and only resort to brutality when other methods fail. They use protest as a mechanism to vent unrest harmlessly.

One reason you don't see as much protest in the US is that people don't believe it works because it pretty much doesn't. A bunch of people hold out their signs, then either get mocked or ignored by the media. Break out of that system and actually start disrupting society in a meaningful way, and then the brutality comes out.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

So people who live in a country aren't responsible for the actions of their government? Then why hold the American people responsible for Venezuela? Why should they be expected to protest? The government just does what it does.

That user is saying that the fact that Russians face more danger for protesting means that any lack of protest reflects less poorly on Russian people than on Americans who face less danger, not that this is a win for the Russian government.

You are making a separate argument. @Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus was saying that Americans can dissent more easily, so the lack of dissent reflects more poorly on them than on Russians. Regardless of the fact that genuine radicals are violently suppressed in America (true), it's clear that the average American is fairly content (and often even thrilled) to live with the violence their government has perpetrated abroad for its entire existence.

To address your completely separate argument, the fact is that Russians are held responsible MATERIALLY (not just in the moral judgements of others or in social media posts, but by sanctions and travel bans) for the actions of their government and Americans are not.

Edit: tagged the wrong user.

Edit 2: I missed this when replying.

Russia brutality suppresses dissent because, at some level, the Russian people and culture accepts it.

How familiar are you with recent Russian history? Do you have any idea what the 90s where like, how the country stabilized, and which politicians had prominent public roles in that? There's a reason Putin has some support, people are obviously terrified that life will go back to how it was in the 90s before he took power. This judgement of blaming Russian "culture" for this rather than the neoliberal shock therapy and rampant nazism and social murder of the 1990s strikes me as borderline racism or at least ignorance of the subject that should prevent you from making such judgements.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That user is saying that the fact that Russians face more danger for protesting means that any lack of protest reflects less poorly on Russian people than on Americans

And, as I said, Americans face plenty of risk too, but only if they do the kinds of protests that actually might achieve something. No, the US government isn't going to murder a protester's entire family, but they will lock up the breadwinner and leave the kids with no safety net programs. Plus, you can forget ever getting a decent job once you have a conviction on your record. Americans also have more, so they have more to lose. The risks are different, but just as real.

You are making a separate argument.

Of course I am. It would be pretty silly to make the same (bad) argument - even flipping the sides. Do you think they are prepared to admit that the US has more freedom, because I sincerely doubt it.

the average American is fairly content (and often even thrilled) to live with the violence their government has perpetrated

Absolutely false. These foreign interventions are always extremely unpopular, including the topic at hand. The ruling class is another matter entirely, but average Americans do not back these interventions. I will agree they have a tendency to ignore many of the less noisy interventions, but that's true everywhere. If things are working in people's favor, they don't tend to dwell on them - unfortunately.

Also, the majority of Americans do not support Trump or the Republicans. Were it not for our fucked up election system and a whole lot of help from mother Russia, the Republicans would have zero power at the national level.

How familiar are you with recent Russian history?

Familiar enough. I'm not unsympathetic, but it doesn't invalidate anybody the arguments I made.

people are obviously terrified that life will go back to how it was in the 90s before he took power.

You don't think that MAGA is motivated by terror? Rural America is collapsing, and they have been taught to fear the cities their entire lives, not to mention the fact that they have no skills to get a job there, and no money to find a place to live. Russia has no monopoly on fear.

This judgement of blaming Russian "culture" for this rather than the neoliberal shock therapy

How familiar are you with extended Russian history? Russia was like this long before they could blame it on "the west". I do blame Russian culture, just like I blame American (especially southern) culture for it's problems. We've all got cultural baggage.

rampant nazism and social murder of the 1990s

Bullshit. There is no more Nazism in the US than anywhere else - at least until fairly recently. (And it would be great if the Nazis weren't all getting Russian funding). There has certainly been an odor of fascism in the neoliberal consensus. I'll give you that but, again, I'm not sure America is different from anywhere else in that regard.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Of course I am. It would be pretty silly to make the same (bad) argument

No, I mean you are no longer discussing Wildmimic's comment or the point of the comic (which were both comparisons between how Russians and Americans ARE treated, in reality). You're making a separate argument that is beside the point.

Do you think they are prepared to admit that the US has more freedom, because I sincerely doubt it.

If "they" is Wildmimic, they clearly did so in their original comment. That was the whole point of the comment, actually, that Americans were more free to protest.

Absolutely false. These foreign interventions are always extremely unpopular, including the topic at hand.

American support for the Iraq war was about 75% before it started and reached above 90% during the early days of the war. Arguing that foreign intervention is always unpopular in America is simply a denial of reality. As a general rule, Americans have been easily convinced to support these interventions unless they felt they were substantially personally affected in a negative way, as was the case (for example) during the later days of the Vietnam War or of the Iraq War.

You don't think that MAGA is motivated by terror? Rural America is collapsing, and they have been taught to fear the cities their entire lives, not to mention the fact that they have no skills to get a job there, and no money to find a place to live. Russia has no monopoly on fear.

We can revisit this when MAGA has had to deal in living memory with rampant child prostitution and death due to poverty, as well as roving squads of nazis committing murder with impunity in the streets. To even compare the very real experiences of Russians in the 90s to the possible fears of Americans today is ridiculous. The 1990s caused 3 million excess deaths in Russia based on 1991 mortality. I've become convinced reading your reply that you don't actually understand Russian history as well as you think you do.

There is no more Nazism in the US than anywhere else - at least until fairly recently.

First of all, the nazis were inspired in part by manifest destiny and American racism. Second, that line referred to Russia, not the US. It was Russia where nazi gangs acted with impunity in the 1990s under Yeltsin - who was installed with the help of the Americans, which they bragged about at the time.

(And it would be great if the Nazis weren't all getting Russian funding).

This is just Russiagate nonsense. Your genocidal settler colony doesn't need Russian influence in order to be racist (founded on slavery, which is still legal if you bother to charge the enslaved with a crime first), and whatever minor meddling Russians might or might not have done in recent developments (again, America has always been a white supremacist nation) did not have a significant impact, especially compared to domestic factors and even other lobbies such as the "Israelis" (another genocidal gem in the empire's crown, which wouldn't exist today if not for America). I think you and I are unlikely to find common ground because we see a fundamentally different version of your country.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Agreed, AmeriKKKans I think are mostly content to live with things like this because they aren't affected personally.

TBH the damage the US does to the world is so much massively larger than Russia that it's not possible for the "international rules-based order" to even approximate proportional fairness to the sanctions and measures currently deployed against Russia no matter what is done to the US. The whole international community is such a naked exercise in hypocrisy it's incredible.

Edit: sorry, in case it wasn't clear I'm speaking to sanctions and other such measures because the cudgel in the meme says "visa ban".

Edit 2: well, perhaps there is one way for the "rules-based international order" to approximate proportional fairness in this situation...

"I dream of a great war of justice that will turn the American soil to ashes" - DPRK citizen being interviewed on the street, looking into the camera.

[–] Salamence@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Me when i see americans:

textHATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR AMERICANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

LMAO, lemmitors from liberal instances will downvote this but don't have the courage of their convictions to make a comment.

https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.zip/post/56356205

Not that I'd be able to reply to those comments since the instances these cowards come from are defederated from us.

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

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[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Reporting for duty. 07

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I dunno, maybe because strawman comics are really tiresome?

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Who is it strawmanning? It's a joke about how the entire "international community" turned on Russia in an instant but America and their dogs ("Israel") can do whatever they want. That's true and obvious to anyone who has even lightly kept up with the news for the last few years.

For example, among America, "Israel", and Russia, which ones can still participate in international sporting competitions and which has one of the most sanctioned economies on Earth? These sanctions obviously harm even Russians who do not agree with their government, whereas Americans have zero consequences, even those in the government. That's the joke in the comic.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not active in much mainstream social media, but I'm not aware of many people who attack normal Russian citizens, especially when they're complaining about their government? It feels like a bad-faith premise basically.

I've never been a fan of the whole «А у вас негров линчуют» rhetoric. Is it not possible to fuck America, fuck Russia, and fuck the so-called state of Israel?

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not active in much mainstream social media, but I'm not aware of many people who attack normal Russian citizens

You've never seen racism against Russians expressed online? People call Russians "orcs" all the time, and that's only the most obvious example. Half of Americans seem to fully believe nefarious Russian plots decide their elections with absolutely zero actual evidence (edit: and Europeans are as bad or worse with the conspiracy theories). The comic is also talking about visa bans, which are a real-world consequence for all Russians and not just some social media thing.

especially when they're complaining about their government?

This (I think) is just emphasis for the joke, but I assure you that I have seen this too. Also, as I said, the comic specifically refers to visa bans, which do actually affect Russians who oppose their government as well.

I've never been a fan of the whole «А у вас негров линчуют» rhetoric. Is it not possible to fuck America, fuck Russia, and fuck the so-called state of Israel?

That's great, you can have that opinion. The comic is about how actual consequences exist for enemies of America but not for Americans. Also, at the time the USSR said that, it was, in fact, extremely true and a very apt way to point out the hypocrisy of the Americans presenting themselves as the champions of human rights - which is once again happening today.

English translation of the Russian for anyone reading. CW for antiquated language and reference to racist hate crimes.And you are lynching Negroes

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I do wish all imperialist countries were punished more on the world stage.

[–] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago

Don't forget sanctions

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago

As much as I hate American imperialism, it does make for good memes.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So they can still crosspost from hexbear!

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You say that as if it's a bad thing :p

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, yes. otherwise the upper right panel would have an ICE van in it with some unidentifiable incels…

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by this, lmao?

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. This comic was drawn before this happened, I think.
  2. How is this related? The comic is about the international reaction towards Americans and Russians, not the domestic government reaction to protesters against these things.

I am genuinely baffled. This is completely unrelated to the point of the comic or to it being possible to cross-post from Hexbear.

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think there are multiple ways of reading that comic, seeing the mixed vote reaction.

It could be seen as a tankie post about muricans still having more freedom of speech vs russians. Thats how I saw it, because it was crossposted from tankie-land.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago

It could be seen as a tankie post about muricans still having more freedom of speech vs russians. Thats how I saw it, because it was crossposted from tankie-land.

OK, so you read the comment completely, objectively wrong (the truncheon says "visa ban" on it, visa bans are imposed by other countries) because you turned off your ability to connect basic concepts when you saw the "tankie-land" word.

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's gonna get rough for the libs 😈

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

More leftists on leftymemes?! 🤯🤯🤯