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[-] sealhaslupus@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that not many users on Lemmy follow Cricket or understand it fully. My comment isn’t going to cover if the decision by the ICC is correct (or otherwise) but to provide a little insight into the men and women’s games

Speed / pace is a noticeable difference between the sexes. I don’t believe there are any current female players that consistently bowl pace over 120km/h. In contrast, male pace bowlers generally try to meet a consistent speed of 135km/h for the same role. The upper bounds for men is roughly 160km/h and maybe only one or two pro players globally can do this.

There are enough men’s bowlers who can bowl at 150km/h. At this speed an average batter would find it difficult to see the ball. Arguably batters in baseball receive faster pitches but at 150km/h+ including the ball bouncing makes it incredibly difficult to face.

The batting is also different but it might be harder to explain to a non-cricketing audience why this is.

[-] BillyTheSkidMark@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

To add extra weight to this comment. It is a common tactic to attempt to "bounce" a batter out, which basically means bowling with enough speed at such a short length that it comes towards the body, and especially, the head. If a batter is unprepared, it usually requires getting out of the way because trying to play a shot is likely to end up with you getting out or struck by the ball.

The ball is much harder and denser than a baseball and even a famous up and coming professional, international, batter died when he failed to get out of the way and was struck in the head.

Basically, there is a very real safety concern for players when it comes to something like this.

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[-] Benj1B@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago

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[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In theory trans women are superwomen and then in reality they're weaker and derpier than the top female athletes and all of this is just a scare tactic because these theories havent played out in the real world at all.

On the sports angle, esports looked like it would finally be the place for me to be a fan because the athletes are relatable to me. But no, they got bought up by the Saudis, so all I get for relatable media is drag queens and furries or whatever.

[-] steeznson@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

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[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Just make it third category.

female sports won't get affected
fairness will increase
fans can watch their own "cup of coffee "
possible pretenders will no longer be motivated by easy winning

[-] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

It's own category with like 5 people in each sport. Great idea.

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

What is the alternative though that won't ruin female's sports that was built as part or followup of female's emancipation ?

[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Some sports do it based on what kind of puberty you went through.

As a significant number of the physical advantages come through going through male puberty.

That could be a good start.

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[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

This is just a complete non solution to the problem and effectively just ends up with trans people being banned from sports altogether.

"Trans" sports teams/leagues (whatever that means) can't really exist at the amateur local level anywhere but the biggest citiess due to there being not a lot of trans people, and even less trans people who want to play sports.

The struggle to even get enough trans guys or trans girls to form a team for football or whatever would be a challenge in and of itself, and then this team would pretty much have to fly across the country (or possibly to a different country altogether) to even play a match.

This is not a reasonable solution for anyone but the people who want to ban trans people from sports.

The second issue is that this is just fear mongering and not an actual issue to be solved but that's being argued all over this thread already.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Two categories:

Women
Open

Perfectly fair and simple.

[-] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's already the case, most sports allow for women to play in men's leagues... But they don't. And trans women would suffer the same way cis women would in men dominated categories (or would they? Depends on the sport I guess, nobody would complain about trans women in F1 Academy I bet)

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

nobody would complain about trans women in F1 Academy I bet)

Fox news was complaining about a trans woman getting a participation medal in the London Marathon, which is a mixed event anyway. Never underestimate how much these people hate trans people.

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[-] Thann@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

My fist thought was "why does the International Criminal Court care"

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[-] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Studies have shown that after around 2 years of HRT the strength of trans women level out to the average of cis women. The only things that really stay the same are things like bone length /bone density, and it's not like there are no cis women with dense bones that are tall.

Edit: taken from another comment of mine:

found a more recent study that states endurance things like running and swimming level out by around 2 years, with most things level out after about 4 with the exception of upper body strength. Which is still declining in trans women past that point

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgad414/7223439

So the 1 year that is recommended is too soon for trans women athletes to start competing, but for endurance sports like racing and swimming it should be fine by 2 years. Other sports may need more time, but also we shouldn't be delaying the lives of trans people for so long. We need to find a good middle ground because it's not like exceptional cis women don't exist in those same sports.

This is all also completely ignoring that if a trans women starts hrt before puberty then there is no real difference. So the real solution is to let trans teenagers transition.

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[-] snek@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

God I thought it said the international criminal court

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago

Sport is the most boring show on TV by far, and yet the actors are paid insane amounts. The fandom is the most toxic bullshit out there and the show runners encourage it.

Cancel sport already, it's really dumb.

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