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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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Background

I have been quite fascinated by Europe's continental suicide in the face of the failure of Project Ukraine and the fracturing of the "transatlantic understanding".

I think Europe still has time to choose strategic autonomy:

  • Rapprochement with Russia to restore their energy competitiveness.
  • Rapprochement with China to restore their global trade and industrial competitiveness.
  • Seek out global markets to blunt the Trump tariffs.
  • Pressure Ukraine to hasten their inevitable capitulation before they loose EVEN MORE LAND AND SOLDIERS.

Of course as we all know, the Western media has the complete opposite narrative, a jumble something like "Russia has lost 10 bajillion soldiers and they don't actually have military equipment at all and also advancing on the battlefield counts as losing if it wasn't as fast as we ourselves predicted it would be."

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Mod actions: removed comments, banned from community
Responsible mod: Unknown to me
Link to First Comment (now removed)
First comment with better formatting:
  1. This war started in 2008 at the Bucharest NATO summit, when the US announced its intention to expand NATO into Ukraine and Georgia. EVEN EUROPEAN LEADERS like Merkel and Sarkozy noted AT THE TIME that the Russians would view NATO expansion into these countries as tantamount to a declaration of war. Over the next 14 years the West did a "color revolution", the Banderites did an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbass, and the West sabotaged and undermined THREE DIFFERENT PEACE AGREEMENTS before the Russians' famous patience finally expired in 2022.
  2. Ukraine doesn't need money to win the war, it needs TRAINED INFANTRY and to a lesser extent weapons. MOREOVER, anyone who thinks this money will last Ukraine even a whole year is delusional. The annual BASELINE burn rate of the Ukraine regime is 150B+ annually, and tax receipts are essentially nonexistent.
  3. They must be REALLY DESPERATE to risk the CREDIBILITY OF THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN FINANCIAL SYSTEM on this foolish gambit. They are breaking the very "Laws of Capital" that the West itself wrote. The Europeans seem determined to beat the Americans in a race to economic decline and collapse.

Tell me again about the "moral case" for stealing sovereign assets to prop up a stunningly corrupt regime in terminal collapse?

Looking forward to the tortured logic justifying my ban.

My Commentary

I know enough to know that they really don't like contrary narratives about Russia/Ukraine in any of the Euro-comms so I wrote my comments very carefully.

Can you, the esteemed commenters of YPTB, spot the misinformation or rage bait? Perhaps I am just blind to it in my own content. If present, did I "ragebait first" or did the other commenter?

Reminder that "Russia says this, therefore it is misinformation" is not a cogent argument or evidence.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Reminder to keep the comments on the mod actions. Don't start debating the war in Ukraine in here

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

Just for clarification is that topical restriction for top-level comments only or for all comments in YPTB?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

All comments.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Don't get into litigating the political argument in this community at all. YPTB is for discussing whether the ban was power tripping or not. YDI for repeating soviet conspiracy theories about color revolutions and simping for a vicious authoritarian regime. A socialist should never be on the side of the aggressor. Your argument is 100% pure distilled campism that doesn't really merit a response other than the scorn of others.

[–] Applesause@mander.xyz 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

how tf you gon talk about not litigating the politics in here and then turn around and criticize the political opinion expressed in terms of its political opposition in the very next sentence, like

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

There's some leeway provided for people to support their arguments towards PTB/YDI. But I don't want the comments to become a pure political argument.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago

ok fair enough that was bad form.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

"Keep on the topic of the removal and the reasoning" is what it means.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I'd probably be considered a "campist" in your taxonomy but these aren't arguments from that school at all. Every last one of these facts and arguments are sourced from "realist" commentators, the vast majority of which are probably Liberals. That's what's so infuriating to me and the whole reason to even try to swim upstream against all this propaganda.

As I said to everyone else - can you dispute a single factual point I made anywhere in any of these comments?

Also the fact that the Maidan coup was orchestrated by the West is well documented, even in the Western press. We also learned from the Kennedy files that the West was also behind the color revolution in Hungary from which the term "tankie" originates. Unless it's always soviet conspiracy theories to speak on the extensive dirty history of US regime change operations?

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 7 hours ago

You can reprase what db0 said as "keep on topic"

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

YSHSIC: You Should Have Seen It Coming

OOP is one of these accounts: 3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts

Communities like !europe@feddit.org, which host these spammers, are likely to be modded by Western turbolibs who think history began on Feb. 24, 2022.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

Do you mean to tell me all these bitter complaints about "Russian Bots" were disingenuous and hypocritical all along? I am SHOCKED

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's PTB from the feddit.org admins exactly in the vein of .ml style of calling "misinformation" everything that contradicts their favorite narrative tropes

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 hours ago

I'd support a network-wide retirement of the "misinformation" ban reason but I've never been on the other side of the modlog so perhaps I'm missing something important

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Misinformation easily highlighted with your comment on when the war started. That's ragebait and just false.

#2 how do you buy things without money? Pay wages? You need money money #3 they aren't desperate, they are financially punishing a warmongering fascist colonizer.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Just restating that something is ragebait and misinformation isn't adding anything to the conversation.

There are numerous factual claims in my comment, we can break out some of them as an exercise:

  1. point 1
  • I claim several things happened at the Bucharest summit - do you dispute any of those?
  • I claim there was widespread condemnation at the time, even from Western leaders, on the basis of Russian security concerns. Do you dispute that?
  • Do you you dispute any point in my super-abridged summary of the years 2008-2022 in Ukraine?

Regarding your responses:

#2 how do you buy things without money? Pay wages? You need money

  • I chose my words carefully. Ukraine needs this money to stay afloat, that is unquestionable and explains the desperation of all the Western players. However, no amount of money that the West doesn't have (see brewing sovereign debt crises) will buy weapons that aren't manufactured (see industrial decline) to be used by soldiers that don't exist (see Ukraine's EXTREMELY well-documented manpower issues).

#3 they aren’t desperate, they are financially punishing a warmongering fascist colonizer.

  • Ummm....do you know what desperation looks like? Does "we're locking these national leaders in a room until we have a deal" project calm and confidence in your view?
  • Pretty rich coming from the nations that invented colonialism AND fascism.
  • Yes it's essential to believe history started in Ukraine in 2022 in order to prop up the Western narratives about the Brave Ukrainians and their Noble Western Friends standing firm against the Unwashed Mongoloids and their Unprovoked Invasion.
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I claim several things happened at the Bucharest summit - do you dispute any of those?

Sure lots of things happened, none of them started a war. When putler invaded Crimea he started the war.

However, no amount of money that the West doesn't have (see brewing sovereign debt crises) will buy weapons that aren't manufactured (see industrial decline) to be used by soldiers that don't exist (see Ukraine's EXTREMELY well-documented manpower issues).

Right and that 3 day military operation is going sooooooo well despite Ukraine being Tiny compared to the russia? The money is there, the manufacturing is there. The Ukraine heros are there.

....do you know what desperation looks like? Saber rattling and threatening nukes all the time. Yes putler has given many examples thanks.

Pretty rich coming from the nations that invented colonialism AND fascism.

Does mean putler isn't a fascist colonizer...

Yes it's essential to believe history started in Ukraine in 2022 in order to prop up the Western narratives about the Brave Ukrainians and their Noble Western Friends standing firm against the Unwashed Mongoloids and their Unprovoked Invasion.

thankfully no one thinks that. Keep excusing putlers and the russias genocidal cleansing ambitions. Ukraine strikes the russian infrastructure, the russians strike schools and hospitals, much like another fascist genocider, bibi and Israel.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Sure lots of things happened, none of them started a war. When putler invaded Crimea he started the war.

Ahh, I see, history actually starts after the Maidan coup but before the bloodless annexation of Crimea. Ever wonder why it was so easy for the Russians to take the peninsula?

3 day military operation

The Russians never said 3 days.

Ukraine being Tiny compared to the russia?

Indeed. Imagine if the Russians had conducted a full mobilization and all-out war instead of this SMO.

The money is there, the manufacturing is there.

When your own European leaders came out and said the Russians were outproducing all of the West in artillery shells three-to-one did you just simply not believe them? Did you think it was limited to artillery shells?

The Ukraine heros are there.

When every single person from the US puppetmasters down to the Ukrainian NCOs on the ground has been speaking for years about Ukraine's crippling infantry shortage, did you simply not believe them either?

Does mean putler isn’t a fascist colonizer…

You know why don't we get a few decades away from Europe being a neocolonial power (clock still hasn't started) and then they can start pointing fingers.

thankfully no one thinks that.

Really is that so? It seems like that is the exact narrative you were reading from mentally as you wrote this comment.

Keep excusing putlers and the russias genocidal cleansing ambitions.

Projection. If the Ukrainians had simply agreed to protect Russian speakers and the Orthodox Church in 2014 they could have kept Donbass AND Crimea. But the Banderites and the West had to have it all so they gambled with the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and now they are LOSING.

Ukraine strikes the russian infrastructure, the russians strike schools and hospitals, much like another fascist genocider, bibi and Israel.

Projection again. The Banderites are the ones who have been continuously bombarding Russian-controlled civilian territory since the 2014 coup

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I see now that I am speaking with someone's who's perception of reality is so out of step with the real world. Keep spreading that kgb propaganda, keeping apologizing for putler. Have a good life

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

When faced with a clash of worldviews like this do you ever stop and ask yourself if you are in fact the incorrect one?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

All the time, thanks, you should try it from time to time

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

How do you suppose it was that I went from being a Liberal to an ML?

[–] maam@feddit.uk 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You deserved it propagandist for tyranny.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is the same misguided idealism that will destroy us all. Which nations are just, free and fair in your view? Also if I'm such a propagandist surely you could easily identify the factual error in my posts and enlighten us all?

[–] idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

When your country will be attacked by russia which part would you give them, before your country loose even more land and soldiers?

This should be posted in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !tankiejerk@piefed.social instead, it would fit better.

Edit: Just to have a word about the mod action: YDI You clearly wrote only what kremlin says, not an "independent take" or something, and you posted this deliberately to a community heavily supporting the other side. It's at least ragebait.

And bragging about it's your first post with a 3 years old account, is also bending the truth. You use lemmy, you should know the rules. You frame it like you are a newcomer..

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck meanwhileongrad . While it expose pro russian and pro china people. The mod is a zionist

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 hours ago

MoG is filled with people who are more anti-left than trying to stop the fascists who actually have power, ran by a racist pos who hates the victims of Gaza. And tried to post gore porn on Lemmy before the admins said no.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -3 points 8 hours ago

How did all this fascism get into my anticommunism AGAIN?