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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the article explains that official tournaments use a unique words list that contains a lot of generous words like "zzz" and "aa". Mostly intended to allow high scoring words for people who studied their list.

The company that maintains the list has added a lot more of these "not a real word but it scores high so we added it" words.

For some highlight words from the article: MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

Players are complaining that high level tournaments are basically going to be competitions for who knows the most gibberish from the tournament word list and it is alienating the general population from joining tournaments and scrabble clubs.

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago

MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

Did smeagol write this list?

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Truly, a win for mutant hobbits everywhere.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Shouldn't the official word list just be the dictionary? Isn't that the point?

[-] loudambiance@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which dictionary? Merriam Webster added almost 700 "words" this year, including shit like: TTYL, finsta, bussin, cromulent, doggo, simp, goated, and more. I feel like they are slowly becoming urbandictionary.com.

[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago

I mean, their job is to provide definitions for the words people use in language, not to gatekeep what words are "good enough" to be defined.

I hear each of the words you've listed all the time, they're part of our language whether we like it or not.

[-] loudambiance@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

My point was more about which dictionary do you use and less about the exact words added. Webster added them, but Oxford and American Heritage didn't.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Use all of em and if it appears in any it's a word

[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Now I want to play a game of scrabble where you play a complete nonsense word, and your points are the number of Google results for that word - lowest points wins. And maybe you have 5 letters instead of 7.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would rather be able to spell out bussin' for points than zzzz, aaa, or Mieropoix. At least it is a word people actually use in conversation.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Mirepoix is an ordinary word in cooking, but it’s an uncountable noun and they’re inventing a fake plural, like “featherses”.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Didnt it specifically say horsefeatherses in one of those comments? I start drawing the line there.

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[-] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Cromulent is a perfectly cromulent word.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Modern dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive. They don't tell you how things should be spelled, or what meaning they should have. Instead, they report how things are spelled and what people think they mean in the real world.

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[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 28 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure the tournaments are just memorising lists. A man won the French competition without being able to speak French... He just memorised the accepted words.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Words in scrabble should be things that people actually use outside scrabble. It's fair if that makes some leeway for slang. It's also fair if it means that some really obscure words that nobody really uses get in. But, this seems over the line because they're taking words that nobody uses, and tacking on un-grammatical endings.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m amazed that they allow Zzz. It’s not really a word.

[-] sab@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, compared to some of those other ones it's perfectly cromulent. At least it means something.

[-] mjsaber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

It truly embiggens the spirit of the game.

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[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My horsie has featherses, silly hobbitses

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The 10x number of new words added compared to previous editions, and the nonsensical nature of so many of the new entries, says it has to be AI. There's no way some of those would make it past a human editor (except one lazily accepting everything the AI suggests as truth).

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m fine with adding slightly offensive words like ‘twat’ and ‘redneck’, but fake plurals like ‘feceses’ and ‘rouxes’ are absurd rules-lawyering.

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

They added "za" (slang for "pizza"), which is a strategy-breaking change.

It makes the letter "z" soooo much more powerful.

[-] klemptor@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Wait hang on I've been using "za" for ages, was this not legal until now?

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[-] comador@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Spazzing for double points!

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Well this is just a bunch of HORSEFEATHERSES

[-] livus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

It would be like playing with Gollum.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

I vote games like scrabble don't use made up words just because they can give you big points. In that case why not just allow your players to place down all their letters in any random order and call it legal? It scores more points, so why not, Big Scrabble?

Also, I'm also personally against the use of made up slang words that started appearing around the 2010s and are now in common use, or at least were in common use.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the point is rather that all words are made up. For the record you have my vote as well. I don't want nonsense words to be a part of the game, especially at tournament level.

[-] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

If thou wishes for thine language to remain unchanged, perhaps ye wish to speak thusly?

[-] remus989@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

But all words are made up words.

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[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the group re-added words such as SPAZ, GOY, REDNECK, GREYBEARD, and TWAT.

Great, he's back...

[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

Why would you ever remove twat? Twat is a great word, which I can only hear in Con O'Neill's voice from Our Flag Means Death.

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Allegedly, it offends people.

[-] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

The only people it offends are twats

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[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Well, my opinion that scrabble is one of the worst games ever made is now solidified.

[-] alienanimals@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Scrabble is dumb because it's all about memorizing high scoring words from a list. As I recall, the guy who won the French Scrabble championships never even knew how to speak French.

[-] Froyn@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Never had this problem playing UpWords

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago
[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago
[-] ForestOrca@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

No much, what up wit you?

[-] Froyn@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Similar. It's a smaller board than scrabble and you can stack letters on top of existing.

[-] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Haha I respect the responsible response. Sounds fun!

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[-] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Some of these additions are just silliness. That said, I could barely make it through the article, as it kept just randomly starting a new sentence halfway through a thought.

It also referenced somebody, but then didn’t finish the sentence before moving on to talk about someone else. I have been annoyed by all the “this article was written by an ai” comments I’ve been seeing lately. Having read this article I see what people mean.

[-] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

I am stunned! Stunned, I say!

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