Slop.

To be slightly fair to them, some anarchists do reject class analysis. They're wrong, of course, and are fringe among anarchists, but they exist. Further, the rest of their comment isn't nearly as bad as that line makes them seem, and they do admit to having an opinion other anarchists would disagree with. I disagree with them of course, and I'm probably being too generous. I just interact with far worse daily.

That being said, the libs do seem to hate me, I agree lol

I mean I would say anarchism is about removing oppressive structures, to a point where all that is left is absolutely necessary hierarchies and even of those some of them are temporary and spontaneously arise to fill needs. But to each their own I guess. His point on anarchists cells isn't really wrong though. Its just those aren't permanent either.

On the Cowbee thing I think people don't like being shown they can't keep up with the discussion. Cowbee actually knows theory of their favored system and is extremely adept at discussion and dissection. I myself have had that feeling before and its not really fair to them. They aren't saying you have to agree or anything, they're just informing you what communist theory says. Which since I've started reading some anarchist theory I realized they were right about me. I need to inform myself way more and read more theory. Can be a hard pill to swallow, but its required to normalize intellectual political discussions.

Anarchism is when you don't use archlinux

I suspect this is just because libs absolutely DESPISE comrade @Cowbee@hexbear.net and will upvote anything smart-sounding that supposedly addresses whatever is being discussed?

I had a comment the other day criticizing mainly Hexbear (because that's what the conversation was about), but I think the criticism applies at least as much to many other nominally radical left spaces, and then in the replies comrade @Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net had her own thoughts along with linking to a comment that is sort of like mine but much, much better.

Anyway, my main point there is to say yes, just use the right words to sound like you're an enlightened radical and a lot of people who have no real understanding will get behind you.

(btw sorry dirt_possum for not responding at the time, it was a good comment and I really appreciated the whole reply chain you linked to)

Also, gotta love the whole "I have this opinion and many anarchists will disagree and that's what anarchism is about". Like, buddy, you haven't read one book or talked to one anarchist IRL, let alone organized in your entire life.

I love this lib line that disagreement is a virtue, because it shows their position is nonsensical and nihilistic. Freedom to disagree is a virtue, and it's a primary virtue of science to be able to challenge things constantly, but science has rigor that allows for a consensus to be reached via that process of challenging. Merely sitting around in a state of everyone contradicting each other shows that there's a serious problem preventing any sort of actual resolution being reached, which is detrimental to any sort of successful organizing by definition.

If we are taking this person at their word, of course, but actually they are full of shit and almost any irl anarchist would have no respect for this view or identify it as genuinely anarchist.

Anarchism has a much lower "barrier for entry" than communism. A communist is generally expected to have read communist theory and have a basic understanding of capitalism and its contradictions.

A person can describe themselves as an anarchist without any sort of reading or understanding of class structure or hierarchy.

So you get these "no vegetables, no bedtimes" anarchists (often called "anarkiddies") who vaguely understand something is wrong with the system, but haven't actually bothered to look into proper solutions, so they just declare "what if we get rid of the bad things I don't like?" and act like that is somehow political analysis, and not just a substitute for political theory, but is actually a better outlook than it.

I'm sure quite a few people here had a phase like that when they were younger, it does seem to be much more common to teens and young adults, people tend to grow out of it once they start to recognise how pointless it is (unfortunately most of them just grow into bog standard liberals, not actual leftists).

Of course, since it works as a barrier to prevent people from actually seeking genuine leftist thought, it's usually the only acceptable kind of "leftism" allowed in larger online spaces, since the feds who run them don't want people getting any ideas. I don't know if lemmy's mod team is actually full of feds, but they are trying to be exactly like reddit, so that includes anti-communist temper tantrums disguised as leftist thought.

This isn't even smart sounding, this is vague word salad.

I'm sorry but val's logic for an anarchist society just doesn't function. No matter what starting point such society begins with - i.e a post-u.s state downfall, a world wide victory, getting in a time machine and telling the Akkadians in Uruk to overthrow Gilgamesh and to immediately construct an anarchist society in the cradle of humanity - that society will simply conduct a great leap backwards.

Logistics networks? You'd go back to struggling to even have a post office.

Infrastructure? Good luck trying to maintain anything more advanced than a dirt road.

Electricity, water, plumbing, waste management? Most likely can't maintain anything larger than a hamlet.

Val, in concrete terms, isn't arguing for anarchism, they're arguing for primitivism.

So what happens when the other cells attempt to kill and disrupt everyone in your cell once too many people start joining?

What the lack of dialectical and historical materialism does to mfer

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holy did I miss a struggle sesh?

Anarchism is when no bed time while supporting mechanisms of capitalism and doing charity.

I don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion that anarchy doesn't involve fighting against archy when it is the literal antithesis of archy.

straight up "no bedtimes" level of analysis from these "anarchists". what a fuckin shame

Liberal lifestylism masquerading as radical politics, these types love this kind of vague utopian worldbuilding that's disconnected from reality or even a basic analysis of reality

The Socratic method is the antidote for these people, two simple questions are enough; "Do you want to abolish class and capitalism?" ---- "And if so, How?"

Then watch as they precede to tumble down the hill at mach speed and then step on every political rake in existence

I ran into a different person (not an anarchist) the other day acting as if it was just ridiculous for an anarchist to be using a class-based reading of authority.

If freedom of press, freedom of movement, etc are impeded, then there is no democracy. You’re an anarchist. You should agree with this

I'm an anarchist so my day to day organizing is going to look different in approach than a marxists', however I can still share an understanding of what our political-economic terrain is, and what the direction we need to go is.