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What I don't get is why it took them decades to figure this out. Why have they been giving us sugar substitutes without understanding what they have been doing to us? Why were these approved for use in the first place?

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[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Copied from another posting of this article:

The headline (and the article for that matter) are very sensationalist and I don’t think they’ve presented this in a balanced way. They are discussing how sorbitol behaves in zebrafish with limited data presented on human biochemistry, and they discuss it in a vacuum without quantifying the amount of sorbitol it takes to cause a problem. Yes, any substance in excess can be harmful, but the amount of sorbitol in food compared to the amount of high fructose corn syrup makes it the substantially lesser evil. The artificial sweeteners are vastly more potent than actual sugar, so you don’t need very much of it to get the same amount of sweetness. High fructose corn syrup is used in massive amounts in food and is much worse for you on the scale that either substance would be consumed.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The scientific paper grift chain: get private funding from a company to publish a paper, use wild methodology, have the shit denounced and condemned by mainstream academia but not before every fucking news outlet in the world puts out a headline "BREAKING: SCIENTIFIC PAPER LINKS EATING SALAD TO BRAIN-EXPLODING DISEASE"

Never mind that to get this evidence they had to inject a marmot with enough salad dressing directly into its skull to make it explode thousand-island grey matter across its cage.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

There's a whole cycle of perverse incentives with University Press.

The underlying research is necessary and valuable but the marketing arm of universities blow everything out of proportion.

[–] CM400@lemmy.world 367 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 147 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The real mvp right here, fuck headlines like this

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But if they just put it in the title, people won't click and get bombarded with ads! Think of the big corporations!

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[–] Punk_face@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But…isn’t sorbitol a laxative??

I learned that one the hard way with some delicious sorbitol candies as a teenager.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Yes. Its also a sweetener.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

all the -tols are laxatives, you heard ethyrthiol, i think its one of the potent ones that cause laxative effects the most. i heard tons of people were getting cramps or diarrhea for people who sensitive. some people are mildly affected by it, and some has no effect.

I think its one of the potent ones that cause laxative

No, that's maltitol

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, that includes Fuckitol®, too? That makes sense.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

That explains the last 18 years or so.

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[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Phew! Thank God I'm not a zebra fish, otherwise I'd need to seriously reconsider my diet high on sorbitol.

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago

Sorbitol-degrading Aeromonas bacterial strains convert the sugar alcohol into a harmless bacterial byproduct.

“However, if you don’t have the right bacteria, that’s when it becomes problematic. Because in those conditions, sorbitol doesn’t get degraded and as a result, it is passed on to the liver,” he said.

Pretty big caveat but the sensationalist headline is all people will see.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] doughless@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago

And after they had depleted the zebrafish's gut microbiota.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Comments like this are ignorant to evolution. Zebrafish are an extremely powerful model for drug development and toxicology.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 1 day ago

Zebrafish are an extremely powerful model for drug development and toxicology.

Sure. But there's also a reason we don't do in silico molecular dynamics, test toxicology on zebrafish, and boom done drug is on the market. Even extremely close organisms, with LCAs much earlier than the zebrafish, can have wildly different reactions to potential drugs and dietary elements.

There are things you can feed a chimp but not a human.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You are obviously correct.

Nonetheless, the headline doesn’t even hint at the YEARS of research required before this becomes something people should worry about.

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[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Not at all, I'm just aware that this may not have any relevance to people, and right now it's little more than click bait fodder.

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[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago

The article doesn't read as very concerning. Too much of anything usually means bad. Under the right conditions anything can be bad. Figuring out what can be bad and when it can be bad can often take decades. Don't stress too much on trying to optomize out anything that can do you harm in a diet. You'd have nothing left to eat and even the greatest collective of biologist getting together to make the greatest nutritional shake meal replacement would probably miss something that causes issues decades down the line or people drink too much and overdose

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Give up sugar. Try it, and tell me it isn't addictive.

Give up all sweeteners, because keeping them just makes you crave more, making it much harder.

I gave up sugar, and most fruits except berries. It made staying at my ideal weight MUCH easier. I really don't need to think about it, I weigh myself every few weeks, and I'm always at my ideal weight. Exercise is the other part of the equation, I think we need to do both.

[–] smegger@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago

Tbh I am betting that it's gonna come out that they've known about the health risks all along, but they tried to ignore/cover it up for profit reasons.

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