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[-] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago

I'd hope this would lead to a mass-migration to Firefox..

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Normal people don't care about ads. Every time I tell someone I hate ads they look at me like an alien.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"What, you don't have patients?" No, I just respect my time more than that. I'm going to waste it on my terms.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I think you mean patience. Patients refer to people under the care of a doctor.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yea, good ol' patience. Patient is the correct adjective, but not noun. I shoulda' remembered.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

It won't. People are too used to using what they're already using.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Chrome is .69 seconds faster, RHEEEEEEEE

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Faster than what? Safari?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

People used to be used to using internet explorer and Netscape navigator. Times change.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

People in business environments: "what's wrong with IE6?"

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I wonder if people refuse to switch cars because the other model/brand is "totally different" than what they drive... Like, it has a steering wheel, gas pedal, brake pedal in the regular location, wtf else do you need?? A browser is a browser is a browser to me. I don't get it.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yes, most people do refuse to switch cars. They will drive and repair their current one until it breaks, although it is for economic reasons. Similarly, people won't bother switching banks even if you pay them; most banks in the US offer $200-300 signing bonuses. You'll also see that people don't switch jobs even if they would get a 5-10% pay rise doing the same tasks. People won't go to different grocery stores even if they're a similar distance away and the other store offers better selection or prices. Hell, people won't even bother switching toothpaste brands.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I use Firefox, but it doesn't work everywhere. Some financial sites, and Ticketmaster won't let you use Firefox. It's bullshit, but that's the way it is.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Every such case is another reason to use Firefox.

Fuck them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. You can't just say "fuck off" if your bank requires another browser, or if you want to go to an event and the only place to get tickets is Ticketmaster. It's not right, but you have to use a browser that works.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh yeah I can, I'm petty af. Like ridiculously petty. I've changed banks for weaker reasons than that. If my bank didn't support Firefox, id switch banks in a heartbeat.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I complained to my bank about an incompatibility once and they actually acknowledged and fixed it. Sometimes they just aren't aware. If they did not care I would have considered switching bank.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

99% of the time you just use an extension that can tell the site you're on Chrome and it works anyway

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Remember that it is purely an artificial limitation. The web has open standards that either browser should be (and is) fully capable of delivering even damn videogames in the browser.

The ONLY reason businesses limit the browser is either because they're being lazy fucks and don't want to test on more than two or three browsers and whitelist what they test... Or they're doing shady sh*t that requires some APIs these guys talk about (not the exact same ones, but same idea).

There are ways to transpile and use polyfills automatically so that even the craziest crap works across all browsers: The only reasons to not support it are bad ones.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I think in most cases it's just laziness, cheapness, or incompetence. I feel pretty confident in saying that with Ticketmaster it's because they want all of your information and Firefox is harder to exploit.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I do to my bank. They say firefox dont work and I change my user agent string. Done.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I've grown petty and pissed off at companies, so if it was me I'd find a new bank immediately and blacklist them for any future relationship. It doesn't even matter that it can be handled by tech knowledge and workarounds, the principle is that it shouldn't need it in the first place.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Its everywhere. Using Firefox in a corporate environment will make you realize just how interconnected all this shit is. Its one dense web made to catch you.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Microsoft requires third party cookies enabled. To log in to their own services. Every megacorp is a problem.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I ordered tickets through Ticketmaster on Firefox recently. Don't know if that's a recent change, but it worked fine for me.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It has never worked for me through Firefox mobile. I haven't tried on the desktop, but maybe it works there. Every time a friend sends me baseball tickets I have to copy the link and paste it into chrome to get them.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I've already gone there. I can't browse without an ad blocker.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

welcome to firefox everybody! good of you to join us

[-] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago

As a reminder, Firefox's Manifest v3 implementation will differ from Google's. Additionally, it isn't that Manifest v3 is the problem, it is that Manifest v2 compatibility is being mostly removed from all browsers. You can literally have V2 and V3 in your browser no issue technically there.

But it is important to remember what prompted this. Most extension authors are well meaning people, but in due course they will make decisions that aren't exactly widely accepted. Case in point was Stylish which was an extension that allowed one to apply various CSS styles to websites. Long story short, good intentions by the author, poor execution.

Manifest v3 was aimed to reduced the vectors that things like Stylish used to carryout their activities. This however, does damage the ability for uBlock to handle some of the various sophisticated ways adverts gets into your webpage. Firefox's implementation is an attempt to meet some middle ground. Additionally, Google has made some concessions to the final format of Manifest v3 to permit SOME ad-blocking that uBlock has indicated that they need.

In the end the important thing to remember is that uBlock Origin's manifest V2 version will be ending soon. There is a "lite" version of uBlock Origin that is compatible with Manifest v3, your mileage may vary with it however. Firefox offers the only solution at this time that is permissive enough to continue uBlock Origin's current development and ability to block most sophisticated adverts from getting into your page.

And the whole Manifest v3 issue highlights just how not open web standards are today. Yes, there is a standards body that issues the standards that govern the web. That body was once independent and sought a web for all. Today that standards body is mostly "what's Google doing?" And that has become problematic and mostly is why "everything is Chromium" at this point. Folks like Opera and Microsoft saw the political landscape at the Web Standards changing, read the writing on the wall, and converted over to Chromium. The vast majority of the issue is that the standards committee has become complicit in just accepting whatever Google offers up as a purposed standard. They have become mostly a rubber stamp for the machinations of Google's engineers to the detriment of everyone.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

I had heard that they put that plan on indefinite hold, but I guess that hold is over. Anything for the ad bucks, huh?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

That was for web drm, which would verify your browser and reject you if it has been altered (plugins). I guess they just decided they'll take an easier and less complicated route and just outright block the plugin directly.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure that was the other one where a third party validates if you're a bot or not.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Firefox here I come

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I have a solution for you: Firefox. Or LibreWolf, it's Firefox on steroids and it has uBlock Origin preinstalled.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This is a battle they will win. Our job is to delay it as much as possible. Once our plugins are gone, they're gone for good.

[-] Welp_im_damned 6 points 3 months ago

man, fuck that.

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