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Physicalism or materialism. The idea that everything there is arises from physical matter. If true would mean there is no God or Free Will, no immortal soul either.

Seems to be what most of academia bases their world view on and the frame work in which most Science is done.

Often challenged by Dualism and Idealism but only by a loud fringe minority.

I've heard pan-psychicism is proving quite the challenge, but I hear that from people who believe crystals can cure autism

I hear that "Oh actually the science is moving away from materialism" as well, but that seems to be more crystal talk as well.

So lemme ask science instead of google.

Any reason to doubt physicalism? Is there anything in science that says "Huh well that seems to not have any basis in the physical at all and yet it exists"

Edit: I have heard of the Essentia Foundation and Bernado Kastrup but since it's endorsed by Deepak Chopra I'm not sure I can trust it

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

"Has anyone found a viable alternative to falsifiable hypotheses?"

[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it is possible, logically at least, to have gods, free will and souls even if everything were physical matter, unless you define those terms specifically to be metaphysical but then its like a True Scotsman fallacy.

Physicalism might be the most viable, but that does not mean its viable enough. There are huge holes - we have no explanation for consciousness, sentience, free will, physics still doesn't explain everything physical, and quantum mechanics is such a weird aberration of physical matter I am tempted to not call it that.

However, nothing beats the scientific method for truth finding at the moment. And, at the moment, the scientific method is content with only giving us physical results.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, taking a stance that living beings have no consciousness, sentience or free will totally distinct from inanimate objects would be the simplest hypothesis, and is also what the models predict.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Basically, there's a little wiggle room left in our current model of the universe, but not much, and absolutely nothing close to human-scale. Dualism is nowhere to be found - we can observe the mind breaking or operating physically - and Idealism better be indistinguishable from materialism to work.

I hear that “Oh actually the science is moving away from materialism” as well, but that seems to be more crystal talk as well.

Yep. The grain of truth here is that materials at really small scale look quite different. At small scale, and in a specific, rigorously defined way. I don't want your crystals or dog THC, Karen.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ah gee. So it was all "Crystal Talk" (I refuse to use the word "woo" because it carries racial implications)

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago

Wait, it does?

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

that seems to not have any basis in the physical at all and yet it exists

If it has no basis in physical reality, how would you detect, measure or quantify it? On what basis would you prove its existence?

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[–] e0qdk@reddthat.com 18 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Assuming that the universe actually exists outside ourselves and that our perceptions can be explained by some set of rules (that we call "physics") seem like necessary axioms to get anywhere in science. You could reject those assumptions, but then I don't see much of a compelling reason to accept anything beyond solipsism if you don't believe in reality.

That said, I'm not sure that physics will ever be able to provide a good, complete explanation of qualia.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 days ago (6 children)

What about biology? What if one day a neurologist finds the brain part that creates the illusion you're not just a brain?

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

“Huh well that seems to not have any basis in the physical at all and yet it exists”

Observed particles behave different.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No they don't. Or, maybe, depending on what you mean by "observed". A consciousness doesn't have to be involved in any case.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

"observing" means interacting with.

Of course interacting with something changes how it behaves. It's in the name.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Still works if the electron is a wave the whole time. You just get a detector and a physicist in multiple states as well. That's the multiple worlds interpretation.

There's a bunch of other models, like collapse existing, but being caused by size or gravity. Collapse by consciousness is a "possibility" really only pseudoscientists are selling. I think OP mentioned Chopra.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

The Dual Slit Experiment doesn't actually work that way

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