Reported for goodposting.

Thing is, if someone dictates to a prompt, I want catgirl picture. No, blonde. Make her taller. Try a more sci-fi background. Now a more intimidating face.

That’s not an artist’s process. That’s the process of a director or producer, a marketing head to the artists telling them to refine an idea for a mascot until it hits their idea of optimal advertising. They don’t want to be artists, they want to be management.

Art is the process, not the end result.

Typing "shitty catgirl picture" into an AI image generator is exactly as much art as me typing "shitty catgirl picture" into this comment box. Which we'll agree is not the same as actually drawing a shitty catgirl picture.

AI gen fans will sometimes try to say that adding all their extra keywords and specifying things exactly is an artistic skill, but this is exactly the same process as typing "black_sweater gray_jacket hair_behind_ear looking_down male_focus" into gelbooru. Sure the picture you find by doing that on a booru is art, but you didn't make it.

Good post

Idk if this belongs in bag posting

"I want to see custom catgirls"

"Support an artist by commissioning one or do it yourself by learning how to draw one"

"B—but I don't have money or time to do so!!"

"Then just use any publicly posted drawing of catgirls and credit the artist?"

"But they dont have the exact catgirl I want???"

"Then, you're going to have to learn how to draw — no amount of prompting will ever feel right."

"Not goonable!!!"

" but also the websites where artists have so many catgirls (and catboys!!) exist, y'know..."

Would be interesting how this compares to the rise of photography. Certainly photographers would never be as presumptuous as to consider themselves artists.

I did a project where i used genetic algorithms to evolve a set of glyphs that tried to fit themselves into whatever the user prompted, using an image vectorization model as part of the fitness function. I had it do a bunch of things like try to generate shapes, attempt color scaling, limit pallets, use extended glyphs to tune, and other applications of art theory. Essentially an ascii art generator but more freeform. I used it to generate some fun images that would maybe be considered art, some things came out cool looking. But I never once considered anything it created as my original art. Like when I do linocut, I often trace and freehand many things before I end up at the linework that I want to cut, and I’ll consider that to be my art. I wondered if the act of doing a lot of work would make it be art, but my gut said no absolutely not. It was more of a technical achievement, like a painting that is technically well executed but had no creative input. But I don’t consider myself an artist tho.

we don't need a special gulag, just use the normal gulag

But it is art; how are AI artists any different than a guy who's like "Hmm, I know! I'll take the ears of a cat and I'll take girls and then give the girls those cat ears!"

They're basically the same thing, but the AI artist is efficient; so called 'real artists' are basically cameras with a photoshop function. Yeah we're all reaaally impressed you know how to take a mental photograph and then transcribe it to a page.

Yawn.

Stop glazing 'real' artists; they're beginning to think they can actually produce. Maybe Van Gogh wouldn't have needed to cut off an ear if he had ChatGPT; Da Vinci could've run test simulations of his inventions if he'd had the GPT (that's how we in the biz call it now, the GPT); Michelangelo would've had all the time to help in ninja turtle duties AND complete the Sistine, Seventine AND Eightine chapels too if he'd had the GTP. AI's Leonard of Vinci could've drawn Mona AND Lisa.

some of us can't draw and to say that i should be forced into a 'gulag' because I let Claude do the busywork of drawing line-art is crazy. i color every panel myself

There needs to be a Gulag ~~for people who make AI slop and call themselves "artists"~~