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‘But there is a difference between recognising AI use and proving its use. So I tried an experiment. … I received 122 paper submissions. Of those, the Trojan horse easily identified 33 AI-generated papers. I sent these stats to all the students and gave them the opportunity to admit to using AI before they were locked into failing the class. Another 14 outed themselves. In other words, nearly 39% of the submissions were at least partially written by AI.‘

Article archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20251125225915/https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/set-trap-to-catch-students-cheating-ai_uk_691f20d1e4b00ed8a94f4c01

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago

It should be treated the same as if another student wrote the paper. If it was used as a research tool where you didn't repeat it word for word then it's cool, it can be treated like a peer that helped you research. But using it to fully write then it's an instant fail because you didn't do anything.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

From later in the article:

Students are afraid to fail, and AI presents itself as a saviour. But what we learn from history is that progress requires failure. It requires reflection. Students are not just undermining their ability to learn, but to someday lead.

I think this is the big issue with 'ai cheating'. Sure, the LLM can create a convincing appearance of understanding some topic, but if you're doing anything of importance, like making pizza, and don't have the critical thinking you learn in school then you might think that glue is actually a good way to keep the cheese from sliding off.

A cheap meme example for sure, but think about how that would translate to a Senator trying to deal with more complex topics.... actually, on second thought, it might not be any worse. 🤷

Edit: Adding that while critical thinking is a huge part. it's more of the "you don't know what you don't know" that tripped these students up, and is the danger when using LLM in any situation where you can't validate it's output yourself and it's just a shortcut like making some boilerplate prose or code.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've been using it for a personal project, and it's been wonderful.

It hasn't written a word for me. But it's been really damn helpful as a research assistant. I can have it provide lists of unexplained events by location, or provide historical details about specific things in about 5 seconds.

And for quicky providing editing advice, where to punch up the language, what I can cut, or communicate more clearly. And I can do that without begging a person for days to read.

Is it always perfect? Not at all, but it definitely helps overall, when you make it clear to be honest, and not sugar-coat things. It's definitely mostly mediocre for creative advice, but good for technical advice.

It's a tool, and it can be used correctly, or it can be used to cheat.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Students would want to learn instead of doing less work if there were incentives to learn instead of just get out with a degree.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 1 hour ago

It seems AI is putting more light on this problem of the academic system not really being learning oriented.
Not that it matters. There was already enough light on it and now it's just blinding.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 35 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (8 children)

I think the only solution is the Cambridge exam system.

The only grade they get is at the final written exam. all other assignments and tests are formative, to see if they are on track or to practice skills... This way it does not matter if a student cheats in those assignments, they only hurt themselves. Sorry for the final exam stress though.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I had a couple classes in college where the grade was 8% homework, 42% midterm, and 42% final exam. Feels a bit more balanced

I think we should also be adjusting the criteria we use for grading. Information accuracy should be weighted far more heavily, and spelling/grammar being de-prioritized. AI can correct bad spelling and grammar, but it's terrible for information accuracy

also bad at synthesizing new ideas.. however, it is likely that future models will be better at those things.

then whole situation sucks and I'm glad I'm out of uni.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Except this is terrible for a lot of people and then only measures how well people do at taking tests.

I'm open to alternatives that can't be chatgtped. tech bros destroyed them all

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Idiocracy is locked in. Rhey all should be expelled.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Obviously, the inclusion of Marxism is a decent test, but I have taken samples of things I have written years ago and submitted them to see what it would say about my writing.

It says a high probability of my writing was done by AI, because I do use emdashes, oxford commas, and other such punctuation.

We can't trust anything checking to see if something was written by AI, any more than we can trust something written by AI.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Anything can be analyzed by a Marxist perspective, which basically just uses a class and imperialism type analysis. If there's a human society it can be applied.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 57 points 7 hours ago (11 children)

Let me tell you why the Trojan horse worked. It is because students do not know what they do not know. My hidden text asked them to write the paper “from a Marxist perspective”. Since the events in the book had little to do with the later development of Marxism, I thought the resulting essay might raise a red flag with students, but it didn’t.

I had at least eight students come to my office to make their case against the allegations, but not a single one of them could explain to me what Marxism is, how it worked as an analytical lens or how it even made its way into their papers they claimed to have written. The most shocking part was that apparently, when ChatGPT read the prompt, it even directly asked if it should include Marxism, and they all said yes. As one student said to me, “I thought it sounded smart.”

Christ.......

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Then they whine on Reddit when they can't get a job.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, those students deserve to fail.

I assume he taught what Marxism is in the class, yeah?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

that was the trap.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, it was irrelevant to the class

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 hours ago

No, it was irrelevant to the class

This is university, not high school or college.

They should've checked it themselves, realised that it was ridiculous and either removed it, or at least asked the prof if that's supposed to be there.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Whatever happened to the tests which you have to sit and do to prove you know the thing you’re writing about?

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[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I can't be bothered to pay attention to anything UK related. Its like Greenland and Antarctica to me.

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Ok? That's a weird thing to say...

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