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Since 85 years, you should know, that appeasement never worked well..
This is more Molotov-Ribbentrop territory.
A deal with Russia isn't worth the paper it's written on.
This war is only even possible because they've already violated an agreement they had with Ukraine. It would be insane for Ukraine to agree to a different deal for safety when they already did that and got back stabbed.
Meanwhile Europe will push Ukraine not to sign the deal (not that much persuasion will be necessary) because Europe doesn't want to set the precedent that Russia can just eat away at Europe.
As for the threat from the US that Ukraine will get a worse deal if they don't sign, given how crap the current deal is, I can't see how it could reasonably get any worse, unless it's total surrender, but that won't fly because there would be literally no point even considering that. The Trump administration really are useless at negotiating, they think they can strong arm Ukraine, but they don't actually have any cards.
isnt it obvious this is buzzword straight from putins mouth, through KRASNOV.
I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking "please don't cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing"
This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it'll be absolutely heartbreaking.
I have no faith in Europe to stand up to America.
Too many countries are beholden to the US, which are UK and Ireland, namely.
Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.
Russia probably won't be finished but you can still punch a bully in the mouth.
Nuke this, nuke that, if my country actually held true to the Budapest Memorandum none of this would have happened. We already bailed on Ukraine once.
I don't get geopolitics. Why is Trump acting like the UN in this scenario?
As horrible as it would be, if Ukraine never backs down and ends up going down in flames it will at least serve as a historical reminder of what happens when you treat the USA as a friend. This is a mark that would not be erased easily; Nazi Germany is still thought of and talked about almost 100 years since it happened, and Backstabbing USA would be no different.
People will remember why Ukraine fell, and they will know who not to trust. The USA has spent a long, long time getting the world hooked on their technology and aid, and in one short year Trump has torn a lot of it down to the point that people globally are actively looking for alternatives.
Face worse? They are going to get invaded a second time? Because yes, that is the fear and why they won't sign shit.
"HEY, BULLY, AND NERD, STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT, JUST GIVE HIM YOUR LUNCH MONEY OR IT WILL BE WORSE TOMORROW!"
Second? Crimea was the first, this is second.
Russia is hoping third time is the charm
This has been going on since russian empire was not afraid to call itself that. The label changed multiple times, the imperialism did not.
This is a hail Mary for Putin. He knows his goose is cooked if Russia doesn't win, and the only way he can win is if Trump forces Ukrain to surrender.
The bad news for Putin is that everybody already knows this, and also knows that Trump can't really do much except act like the assclown that he is. The Europeans aren't going to reward Putin. And they know that Trump's days are numbered, and each of those days is going to show more cognitive decline and increasingly grotesque displays of megalomania, even if one of his many other crimes and scandals doesn't render him incapable of further outrages.
And whether it's Trump or Putin who goes first, the other will soon follow. They are propping each other up, and the whole arrangement is unstable.
russia is losing bad, so putin pressures krasnov to force ukraine into an unfavorable deal or he will release some of the epstein files, or redirect his troll farms to attack krasnov.
While I'm not at all unfriendly towards anti-Russia propaganda.... are they really?
In terms of land occupied, Russia has gained maybe an additional 1% of Ukraine in the past year of very bloody fighting. The strategic situation is harder to read, but Ukraine has definitely damaged Russia's ability to earn money from its main export (fossil fuel) and has also done a lot to complicate Russia's ability to supply its troops and to maintain its occupation of Crimea. In addition, other developments have made Russia's enclave in Kaliningrad more vulnerable, which means it has less use as a base in the Baltics, and required more money to be spent to supply and guard it.
On hte other side, Ukraine is in pretty rough shape too. But for Russia, it's a war of choice, whereas for Ukraine, it's a more existential matter.
So I'll leave it to experienced analysts to decide who's worse off. At very least, Russia has not turned the corner and the war remains at an impasse for now.
So it's like a knife fight: the loser is whoever bleeds to death first.
The press around the Alaska meeting was interesting. I remember it being reported that Trump team appearing to look visibly shocked as they left the behind closed doors meeting. That it ended early, etc I wonder what was said....
sometime about epstein no doubt, wasnt epstein advising PUTIN how to handle TRUMP.
Why is anyone listening to the US anymore? They are turning themselves into North Korea and losing any credibility they might have had. Who gives a shit what they say anymore?
Because Europe has had half a decade to fill the void and they can't get it done and continue to act like cost efficiency is the name of the game.
Europeans seem to want to rag on about the US being irrelevant while being completely unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.
I am very supportive of Europe, but they need to wake up to that reality and stop bickering about pennies.
They should have been at wartime production years ago, and yet they still don't even have a 5th let alone 6th gen fighter jet.
The fact that the USA, who is currently chopping its own legs off, is managing to provide just about equally to the Ukrainian war effort to you, who are literally neighbours, should be embarrassing and sobering, but instead people just keep complaining and expecting the US to both shut up, and fix it.
I wish US officials the worse fate possible.
So MAGA actually stands for Make America Subservient To Russian And Israeli Interests? Who woulda tohunkit
You mean Putin says...
How exactly is this going to be worse? Putin keeps a bunch of territory, gets welcomed back into the global economy, Ukraine gets hard limits on NATO membership and they're on military in exchange for a weak non-guarantee of security. You could sum the whole thing up as 'let's all agree Russia won'.
It's bullshit. It legitimizes military conquest of territory. The only compromise should be that Russia stops their illegal invasion, Russia's internationally held funds are 100% given to Ukraine for reconstruction, and the border territories get to hold a vote to decide which country they want to be a part of.
As this is now, it's just legitimizing the occupation. As an American I am very disappointed that our President would push such a thing.
There’s that shady salesman tactic of “buy this bad product now for a low price”
Art of the deal
Trump always backs down, Zelensky should call and see what he's holding at this stage. Russia has always been the USAs biggest bogeyman, I can't actually see them pulling out completely
Agent Krasnov doing his thing. One argument more for Europe to build up it's military power and finally get their shit together.
If there is a peace deal to be brokered by outsiders, it should be through NATO without the USA. Europe still vaguely recalls what came of the Versailles Treaty, so EURO-NATO would at least try to make sure things turn out alright.
Any deal that is conceived by the USA is inherently bad, because the Childfucker In Chief wants to molest the world and to fill his pockets with misbegotten gains.
How does Trump know?
And who exactly are these leaders working on behalf of? Because it sounds like this absolutely dogshit deal favors the Russians and gives them everything they want. They’re holding Ukraine at gunpoint and threatening them to accept a very unfavorable deal. With the Russians beside them.
translation: "he's going to release the video of me blowing bubba... you gotta sign this"
You can literally replace "US" with "Russia" in this title and it would still make perfect sense.
America is such a pathetically weak country led by compromised pedophiles.
Americans can kindly go fuck off under a rock in the ocean.
Cowardly cunts, then entire fucking lot of you. Enjoy your new control under Russia pussies.
What the fuck is the US doing?
Well it's obvious but how in the fuck
