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US president roundly decried for Truth Social post after lawmakers told military personnel to refuse illegal orders

Democrats expressed outrage after Donald Trump accused a group of Democratic lawmakers of engaging in “SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH” and that they should be arrested after they posted a video in which they told active service members they should refuse illegal orders.

The video, released on Tuesday, features six Democratic lawmakers who have previously served in the military or in intelligence roles, including senators Elissa Slotkin and Mark Kelly, and representatives Maggie Goodlander, Chris Deluzio, Chrissy Houlahan and Jason Crow.

“Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this constitution,” the lawmakers said in the 90-second video. “And right now, the threats to our constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear, you can refuse illegal orders, you can refuse illegal orders, you must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.”

That seemed to prompt a furious response from the US president.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ahh. So advocating that service members follow the UCMJ is sedition.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago

The new guide will be one page, and it will say "Do what you're told, or else."

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 53 points 4 months ago

Good way to let people know you're giving out illegal orders

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's only a matter of time before he tries to order the execution of a Democrat. Or a TV host or something

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

"More importantly, any of you people could shoot someone in the head on Fifth Avenue, and nothing would happen to me. So get to it."

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He might try the stochastic route before hiring a goon.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago

That's the current strategy, and this is the perfect example. This has got a very strong "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" vibe.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This fucker thinks of ratings like a TV producer.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago

Oh, yeah, he's ALWAYS been about that. For him, life is one big popularity contest, and he's the perpetual winner.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what he'd think if someone sent an angry, violent mob to the Capitol building to prevent the peaceful transfer of power between Presidents?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

Depends, is the person a Democrat or Republican?

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Don't worry guys Mine Johnson is here to explain why Trump is actually in the right here

I'm not joking he immediately jumped on the defense.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Mike Johnson, the Republican House speaker, defended Trump’s claim that the Democrats had engaged in “sedition”, describing the video as “wildly inappropriate”, adding: “It is very dangerous, you have leading members of Congress telling troops to disobey orders, I think that’s unprecedented in American history.”

Johnson also reportedly told the Independent that in what he read of Trump’s posts, Trump was “defining the crime of sedition”.

“But obviously attorneys have to parse the language and determine all that. What I’m saying, what I will say unequivocally, that was a wildly inappropriate thing for so-called leaders in Congress to do to encourage young troops to disobey orders,” Johnson added.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Thanks!

“wildly inappropriate” == death penalty, got it. 👍

“It is very dangerous, you have leading members of Congress telling troops to disobey orders, I think that’s unprecedented in American history.”

That's not what they said though - they said not to obey unconstitutional orders. And I'm pretty sure that's not unprecedented.

If it all wasn't so bloody obvious anyhow I'd say they're really showing their hand.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

words have no meaning to facists

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

Military personnel should have to undergo a daily warnings that they have the Constitutional obligation to refuse to obey illegal, unConstitutional orders. Signs should be posted everywhere - in barracks, the cafeteria, duty stations, etc.. Maybe it should be automatically texted to their phone every morning. If they saw regular signs, heard announcements, got texts, etc., they'd know it was serious.

More importantly, those who might be tempted to give illegal orders, will think twice, knowing that the ranks have been heavily warned about it.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

So his boss can spew out the verbal diarrhea and it's ok because it's not what he "really" meant. Bullshit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Domestic enemy of the Constitution right there...

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago
[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago
[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

the projection is insane lol

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Does seditious behavior punishable by death include instigating an insurrection, Donny? How about selling secret documents to foreign governments? And interfering with elections while colluding with state enemies? Declaring war on your own territory?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All they did was use their First Amendment Rights as citizens and military vets to remind their fellow military members of the LAW. That is patriotism, not sedition, or treason.

Sedition would be planning, promoting, and launching a violent insurrection with the objective of stopping the certification of the vote, allowing a lame duck president to remain in office in defiance of the Constitutionally legal vote of the citizens, as well as murder numerous duly elected representatives.

Treason would be stealing hundreds of classified documents to sell to hostile foreign entities.

Hmmm, now that Trump has brought that up, we should investigate any previous occurrences of sedition/treason, and EXECUTE anyone found to have committed such crimes.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago

America is an enemy.

[–] BranBucket@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he organizes public executions, will they finally try to use the 25th or just roll with it?

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“In an unprecedented move by the executive branch, Donald trump executes all democratic lawmakers”

And six months later:

“Federal judge BARS trump administration from executing members of congress“

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

More clear, public evidence of malicious prosecution.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago

Careful what you wish for.