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I was thinking, why does it matter what AOC or Mamdani or anyone says?
Shouldn't people just vote for who they want to vote for?
because the US electoral system is fundamentally broken and if you vote for who you want to vote for you’re likely to get the exact opposite because that’s the spoiler effect for ya!
That's only true if we make it true.
Vote for progressive candidates. Kick out Republicans and establishment Democrats. The only chance we have for a bloodless revolution is if we insist on it in the voting booth.
The fascists are already winning. Voting for fascist-enablers isn't slowing them down.
The spoiler effect is an inherent part of first past the post voting. It's geometry.
Voting for progressives only works in primaries.
This is about a primary though
The wider thread is, however:
Kick out Republicans and establishment Democrats.
Voting for fascist-enablers isn’t slowing them down.
Given the context NABDad's comment doesn't seem to be limited to primaries.
Because 60% would look at the candidates, say 'meh' and sit it out. The one with the rabid supporters common people disagree with would win.
AOC is making some questionable calls lately. Is she getting 'bought' out and into the party mainstream?
And a distraction from a victory? What the fuck AOC? What does that even mean, his victory isn't important now. It's already happened, we need to focus on the 'next' part. And if anything that energy should be used to help get another leftist (and ally of Mamdani) into power, because that would support Mamdani much more than your political suicide here is.
Populist rhetoric, neoliberal policy. Power only ever serves itself.
Agreed. I think it comes more from the fact that she just can't afford to follow the rising tide of the incoming left's hard anti-Zionist policies, being a NYC state rep.
She's much more secure being a social liberal in a moderate party than a moderate Zionist in a truly leftist party. If anti-Zionism ever did become the party policy of the Dems, she would have to make some difficult choices facing her constituency in NYC.
You definitely shouldn't critically analyze any of the positions aoc has held since being elected because then you would be a tankie /s
In short, this is exactly who aoc is. She has been the party mainstream for years and exists to funnel left wing voters back into the democratic party.
This was always her position in the party. No need to be bought out or manipulated. This is her role.
kamala harris is working tirelessly for a ceasefire in gaza
How she still has any credibility as a "leftist" after this is mind boggling
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Really AOC? Running cover for the establishment now? At least resort to a tactical silence.
...Really?
It could be a situation where she's merely reminding us to pick our battles under this regime.
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She certianly carries a lot of water for establishment dems for someone they call a progressive. She won't even call for Schumer to be replaced, guess we should have seen this one coming.
Oh good, more purity tests. That’ll surely defeat the fascist machine, thoroughly vetting every single thing a candidate does until we’re left waiting for the literal Jesus to return.
Explain how valid criticism is a purity test when no one is taking about elections.
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It's because in the real world, you have to deal with reality, not only the couple of pet possibilities that people want to consider. I think AOC is the best shot that any decent person in the US has. She would if she could, but in the real world, these are not actual options.
Part of me agrees with this, part of me thinks that these people are too far into the weeds to know what's possible. Change brings chaos. And when you're at your stressful job with a shitty machine that you are constantly trying to keep running, eventually you reach a point where the thought of turning off the machine is unthinkable.
From an outside perspective, it seems obvious. The machine is bad. We should get rid of it and try something different. But that concept is terrifying to the people who work on the machine. Turn it off? But they've spent years learning how to work with the machine! They know how to sometimes get the machine to do what they want! If they replace the machine with something else, what if they can't figure out how to work the new system? Maybe someday they can replace the machine, but right now? In the middle of everything else? No, no, far too risky. Best to try to keep working with the same old machine.
How living in the real world been working for her? Oh thats right they passed over giving her a more powerful position for a old man with terminal cancer who already left.
Leftists need to stop showing loyalty to a party that uses them and then throws them away.
The DNC is not a viable path twoards the left.
Oh you and your reasonable explanations, with their rational basis in organizational communications.
I’m a PoliSci major and I’m baked AF! Now who knows more?!
More contrived rage bait about one of the handful prominent elected officials with something approximating a progressive platform. Spinning an uninformed reaction and one offhand remark into a full headline and story.
I guess par for the course when you consider that the Axios is majority owned by Cox Enterprises who, at a glance, donated at 70% for Republicans and the rest to establishment Dems.
Democrats might be a controlled opposition, but it helps to paint real opposition with the same controlled narrative.
Ocasio-Cortez told Axios during a brief interview at the U.S. Capitol that she was "not aware" that Ossé was challenging Jeffries.
Ossé filed paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Monday
- Progressive Change Campaign Committee head Adam Green told Politico"it is not the right moment to launch a primary challenge against Hakeem Jeffries."\
- Mamdani also appeared to discourage his fellow Democratic Socialists of America member on Monday.
- "I believe that there are many ways right here in New York City to both deliver on an affordability agenda and take on the authoritarian administration in the White House," Mamdani told reporters of Ossé.
Yeah let’s hear all about how Mamdani exists to be controlled opposition, and how his choices are so fucking questionable lately, and how he’s only driving mainstream liberals back to the Democratic party.
C’mon Tankiejerks. If you trash AOC but can’t find the courage to also trash Mamdani, you’re worthless. So let’s hear it. He’s sold out! In two weeks! Booooourgeois!
No? Crickets as usual from the refuseniks? How odd.
Seriously the more shit i see in here the more I wonder how wrong a strategy it is to tack to the center. The so-called-left can’t win a goddamned participation trophy ffs. We have to put a stake in MAGAs heart in less than a year and this kind of garbage only puts us further away from that.
At least RTFA. The ragebait trap caught a bunch of people.
That looks more like Jeff Coltin's contribution to what Mandani said. Mamdani did the very politician thing and said 'there are many ways'. Jeff is adding in the discouragement and the 'but' to Mamdani's quote.
That might have something to do with it.
Stop being a divisive wrecker and forcing your purity tests on leftists.
Either fall in line or go away, this is a critical time and we cannot have you righties around trying to wreck our momentum because you’re okay with a little bit of genocide.
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