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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It is true that she didn’t have enough time to put together a viable platform, but if Biden had dropped out early enough for her to develop a viable campaign and platform, that would have meant a primary, and it’s doubtful she would have won that primary.

Even if she had won that primary, it’s still doubtful that she would have assembled a viable platform and campaign. The political cliques she was aligned with were diametrically opposed to the kind of policies that would have made a viable platform.

A break from neoliberal politics was necessary. But basically all of the institutional pressure for Biden to drop out came from neoliberal diehards who were pissed at him for deviating from that line slightly, the age thing was mainly just an acceptable cover story for the insiders. Haris got her chance by appealing to those groups and thus she was never going to challenge those interests.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Oh she never in 100 years would have won a primary. She was like rank 8 of 10 in the 2020 primaries, people do not like her

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I voted for her but don't like her.

Primarily, because of her stance on prison labor which is just slavery with extra steps.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I voted for her too, as I would have voted for Biden or for a fucking Funko doll over Trump.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 16 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

The fact of the matter is in an election where [ANYONE] vs FASCIST is the choices..

YOU FUCKING VOTE FOR ANYONE.

I honestly don’t believe this is still a conversation!! My god you people are not just determined to repeat the mistakes of the past- you’re running headlong right towards it!

So fucking embarrassing.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

No no it's somehow the left's fault... Not left enough, that might be true though.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Of course there were many foolish voters out there but it's not good enough for a candidate to be not Donald Trump. The reality is that many people will stay home when they see dirty corporate politicians running for office. And you can blame the people all you want, but that doesn't change reality, and they'll still stay home.

I think what's embarrassing is your approach. You saw 2016 and 2024 and you still haven't learned from either of them. It turns out that people vote or don't vote for a variety of reasons, and a simplistic approach like yours is a failed approach.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

lol! Thanks! Needed this.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's hard to blame the voters in the light of recent events.

Voters just handed the Democrats an insane mandate. Ignoring the voters and caving in to the fascists a week later sends a very clear message, "We don't care about your vote."

Actions speak louder than words.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’m gonna be devil’s advocate here for a moment. I followed Mamdani’s campaign closely and I think he nailed it on the spot. You had two politicians running whereas one lied that he’ll reduce prices and make America great again and the other.. did nothing for the most part. From the eyes of the average voter Kamala promised nothing but the status quo, and they wanted change. That’s how Dem strongholds flipped red during this election and how a lot of them went back to blue for the mid term elections. If she told her donors to get stuffed and worked for the working class instead of exploiting the working class she would’ve won.

What a mess we live in. Both options will fuck you over, only one of them will do it with lube.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago

It was a terrible campaign spoken to people who where/are hurting telling them they where actually in fact doing great.

It was worse then doing nothing, saying it was mostly nothing is being kind. Once again they just assumed they would win and forgot that people looking for any help will swallow lies over the safer status quo choice. That is why when the big man gamble blew up in their face they vote blue again. The real issue is this is why the dems never have to change, they don't even oppose the other side anymore, they just wait to have their turn.

Watching this mess is just infuriating, seeing the endless exceptionalism and team based bullshit more so.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

If you are in a nation that has only two choices and one is a FASCIST, you are in a fascist nation without real choice. You are once again embarrassing yourself to the rest of the world with this endless team based bullshit.

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE "CORRECT" CHOICE THEN THERE IS NO CHOICE!

This is what you all get when you turn your whole system into a fixed 2 headed hydra for years and years, but when you needed to stand up and change the system you all instead point fingers and blame instead of doing anything.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Whats the word for when you don't really fully like someone, so you don't vote for them, thereby giving the edge to the other guy, who you don't like even more?

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It’s called “right wing stupidity” and we should be calling out these worthless dumbfucks wherever we can. Although we should be clear that it does not seem like those particular brainless fools made enough of a difference.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Spine? Conviction?

Whatever it is, the important takeaway is if future campaigns take the same approach, they're liable to get the same results.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

So she threw intentionally for Israel. Checks out.

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