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Microsoft [...] gets massive backlash
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It's gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Windows 11 made me a Linux user. I stopped eating their shit.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
"Fine, then we're going to do it twice as hard and half as good!" -Microsoft
Windows 8.1 made me a Linux user.
The ol' switcherooski. Abruptly end support for your previous product, force people to buy all new hardware, then when everybody is on board you hit em with consumer-hostile monetization attempts. Classic Microsoft baby.
We're about to get that subscription model! Probably gonna be Adobe flavored. Steam Machine launching just in time.
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
I actually found pure Debian to be perfect for me as a newcomer a few years back.
That's awesome! :) Did you land on a favourite for day-to-day stuff? I had the exact same pipeline - windows 11 was announced, and Mint went on days later! :) I love Kubuntu at the moment, and tried PopOS as well. :)
I can’t shake the feeling that Win11 is part of the AI grift master-plan. They’re a big investor in OpenAI, and OpenAI needs to start showing large, genuine revenue. Locking both consumers and business customers into a subscription model for the largest OS by market share to fund this grift seems like exactly such collusion. The required minimum hardware requirements for Win11 feel like the big clue, here.
As far as I can tell, AI almost always makes a call to a remote server. So why do you need a powerful PC for that? You could do that on a 20 year old computer easily.
I tried AI on my MacBook to ask it how to fix my config. It just did an internet search and didn’t even check the setting on my computer.
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there's another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they "top their subs".
It's certainly just going to end up being used as an advertising tool. Like the recent hype of trying to get people let AI do holiday shopping for them. Like the AI saw you opened paint, have you considered a subscription for Adobe cloud. You searched for cake recipes on Google and clicked links, why not sub to copilot+. It'll have text to speech AI as well
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don't want your changes and updates and new feature.
That's one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that's good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company's product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it's like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
Microsoft's Windows chief Pavan Davuluri had earlier hinted at such plans already about how the next evolution of OS will make it capable enough to "semantically understand you" as Windows will get "more ambient, more pervasive, more multi-modal". Using features like Copilot Vision it will be able to "look at your screen" and do more.
Since when did corpos try to reframe the word "pervasive" as something positive?
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
Maybe stick to AM4 and processors for now that don't have AI feature? I have AM4, it works perfect and I haven't had to upgrade yet. I think there would be a way to disable all of the AI, like with app OOSU10 or tron. Second option would be to install Linux OS and use Wine for any Windows app and for anything buggy that wouldn't work well, using a vm for it.
Speaking of, there's VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft's telemetry and AI ips.
Speaking of, there's VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft's telemetry and AI ips.
That game of cat and mouse would get very tiresome very fast and Microsoft would win in the end. Better to hope for new vwrsions of Tiny11 or one of those debloater scripts to disable the AI features entirely, but they'd probably be reinstated with every update. Maybe use a hook to re-run the script after every update? I don't even know if that's possible in Windows.
Thankfully I've been Microsoft free for years now so I don't have to know. Linux is a blessing.
They've really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It's starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they'd need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they're becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what's going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they're going to have to write off countless billions that they've wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him "don't screw up". In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn't. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it's fine.
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator with AI guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Ya know, I'm not a linux "supporter" in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man......even though I don't have a clue what I'm doing in linux, I'd rather be on linux than windows 11.
The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they'll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there'll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That's all it takes.
I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:
A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don't think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.
B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they're invested. They'd have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "
Iam even more happy to be using Linux 😎
Yeah the ones who went that path now can be super happy about it. We have the best desktop in the world.
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Whatever it is, it sounds fucking stupid.
The OS doesnt need to be a focus. the OS is best when you completely forget its existence and can just do things without worry.
Which is why Windows 7 is the best operating system microsoft has, and seemingly will, ever produce.
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Agentic OS is a buzzword that's meant to imply that the OS is (or has) an AI agent doing useful things for you in the background without you explicitly asking it to do those things (ie an agent working for you). For an agent to be useful, (they say) it has to know and learn everything it can about you, your life, your friends, activities, contacts, work, and so on.
The tradeoff is pretty extreme though. Everything you do on the PC is watched, analyzed, catalogued, and retained by MIcrosoft (and possibly whoever they choose to share the info with, which is likely every government that asks). The features that do this are generically called client-side scanning and Microsoft has a few specific variants you can read about called Copilot Recall, and Copilot Vision.
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
I can't wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it's most likely not gonna kill Microsoft..
See, now that they've strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.
There's no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you'll stay in an abusive relationship.
What I see time and time again are people saying "I HAVE TO use Windows at work, but I don't use it at home".
So, logically that means Windows is losing market share to Mac and Linux, right?
Well, no. What I see over the past 20 years is that people just stopped buying PCs for personal use.
At this point, it really feels like if you're over 55, you're in the minority if you own a PC. If you're younger than 30, you're in the minority if you own a PC.
And for 30-55 year olds, it's simple. You grew up with PCs, so you're used to them. Everyone else just sees it as "that thing we use at work"
So, no. People dropping microsoft from their own personal lives doesn't mean they switch to linux. It just means they use their cell phone or tablet to browse the web. Because for most people, thats all a pc is anyways. Just a machine to browse the web on.
I wonder when the big software players running their stuff on Win are going to complain. For me, I'm tied to Autodesk. If they would make their mind up and start a Linux version or support Proton (I don't see, why the advancement in the gaming world couldn't in principle be applied to productivity software) I would be away from MS at work instantly.
Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you'd need. The last version.
In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn't this angle been pursued?
Windows 10 is definitely the last version of Windows I’ll run on my own machines.
