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The difference between a pedophire and hebephile might matter in a clinical setting, if you're a psychiatrist or something. This isn't that. He was a child rapist who sold children to be raped by other rich fuckers. Donald trump was one of those. Trump is a child rapist.
the difference is also very important in general.
it tells you a lot about the people who make that difference.
Donald Trump owned teen beauty pageants and you think hes just an end consumer of Epstein's child sex trafficking? Wait til more comes out and hes revealed as just as involved in moving these girls around as Epstein, if not more.
Donald Trump owned teen beauty pageants and you think hes just an end consumer of Epstein's child sex trafficking?
We also know that multiple girls were recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell while working for Trump. My theory for a while has been that Trump actively used his properties to scout potential victims. He’d find girls he wanted, and use their job to give them a small taste of how the rich lived. He’d let the girls see him and his rich friends living it up on his private resorts, and start dropping breadcrumbs that they could join that same class of elites if they remained loyal. He’d make them feel welcomed, but not comfortable. He would ensure they remembered their place at the bottom of the hierarchy, but he gave them a glimpse of what they could have in the future… All you need to do is remain loyal, and you’ll get your shot.
Then Trump would pass their info to Maxwell, so she could get to work grooming them. The girls would obviously have their walls up around Trump and co. After all, they’re a bunch of creepy old men. Having a woman as part of the recruiting team would normalize the situation and cause the girls to lower their walls. “Oh hey, this rich woman is really nice and understanding, and she seems to be on my side. And if she isn’t creeped out by the gross old men, maybe I was overreacting? I don’t want to miss a good opportunity just because I was overthinking things…”
Maxwell would eventually start the “you’re still young, so you have some time to figure your life out… But opportunities don’t wait, and you don’t want to be a beer girl on a golf course forever. Have you ever considered where you’re going to go from here” type of stuff. The girl has had a taste of wealth, and she’s wondering how to get it for herself. “I just need to be given a chance to prove myself” would inevitably be running through her mind on repeat. Maxwell would leverage that, and start pivoting them towards alternate lines of work. As if she were just helping out a friend. “You’re really pretty. Do you work out? Have you ever thought about modeling? I know some people who would pay a lot of money to have you in a Levi’s ad.” And eventually, Maxwell would invite them to the island for something that sounded benign, like a massage, modeling gig, cocktail waitressing for a party, etc…
When they arrive on the island, Maxwell will continue to normalize the overly sexual nature of the work. If Epstein is naked, Maxwell won’t even flinch. This is just how the rich live, right? He owns this private island, after all. He can be naked wherever he wants, right? This may be your only shot, so don’t mess it up by getting offended over some wrinkly skin.
If you read Virginia Giuffre’s account of how she was originally recruited, it pretty much matches my theory directly. She was initially hired to work on Trump’s property, then got approached by Maxwell. Maxwell was the one who actually recruited her and invited her to the island. And once Virginia was on the island, Maxwell was right next to her, acting completely unfazed and ensuring she didn’t panic when she saw a naked man on the massage table.
But the important part is that it all started with her getting hired by Trump. Trump was the one who scouted the girls and tipped off Maxwell. Trump even joked about Epstein stealing “his” girls, because so many were recruited from Trump’s properties. Trump was the opener, and Maxwell was the closer. Epstein was just the logistics, inventory, and scheduling manager
Sounds like Megan knows there is a video of Donald in Epstein's files (He had a bunch of carefully documented CDs). I think I can envision how her deposition would go:
Q. Did Donald make child porn?
M.K. No, Donald didn't know he was being filmed, Epstein did that to have leverage over him.
Q. Did Donald get blackmailed by Epstein?
M.K. No, they were friends.
Q. So Donald just started in the child porn / statutory rape video for fun?
M.K. Fuck you, Donald's a great man and the president.
Q. Objection, non-responsive.
We can't see the video because it is child porn, but Donald is not a pedo because she was 15. At least that is how I see this playing out.
I need a remindmebot for this
"MEGYN KELLY IS PRO-PEDOPHILIA IF THEY'RE OLDER THAN 5 YEARS OLD"
That's the correct headline.
Okay conservatives, ask yourself: are those young girls not the very people you seek to protect from the transgender persons? Like, if you're fine with the shit that tRump and Epstein pulled with kids because that level of depravity is suddenly okay, then you must clearly be fine with kids peeing in the stall next to a transgender person or seeing a transgender person wash their hands. After all, seeing a transgender person wash their hands is nothing compared to the now-not-a-risk from the pedophile-in-chief.
Oh, it's never been about protecting children? It's just been about hate?
Hate requires no intelligence to operate. The US has an adultescence problem. Turns out the bystander effect applies to a society's impact on children too. The irony is kids in the US have never been more intelligent or open-minded.. can't have that kind of future competition.
This is preparing for the inevitable release of the Epstein files. Softening the blow by insisting it wasn't pedophilia. They could have made this argument a long time ago but didn't
Ephebephilia or possibly hebephilia rather than pedophilia, but the distinction is moot, because non-psychology litterate people mean all minors when they say pedophile.
Ephebophile (noun): A pedophile with a thesaurus.
Or a Psychology litterate with the DSM-V
This is one of those technical distinctions where if you're making the distinction, you're already on the wrong side of everything.
Psychology and precision in language using the diagnostic terminology of the DSM V is on the wrong side of everything?
No one is excusing or belittling anything. People who hurt children must fry.
Yeah, if you're quoting the DSM V to defend yourself as technically not a pedophile, then yes you've crossed the rubicon of decency.
I'm not defending anyone from anything. Your repeated, blatent and misguided attempts to mischaracterise what's being said makes me think "He doth protest too much.".
It's the litteral terminology from the diagnostic manual from the APA. You may want to book an appointment.
I'm not suggesting you're doing it specifically. I'm saying generally if you feel the need to make that distinction in your normal day to day life, you're almost certainly a sexual predator.
Or any number of psychology related or adjacent professions, or just well read.
What is really really weird is that you seemingly equivocate ephebephilia and hebephilia as some lesser crime. They are all equally child abuse. There is no lesser crime being implied here. All punishable the same. All irreperably damaging to the victims.
You got some serious issues to work out. Imagine a courtroom where the lawyer present evidence of the accused stabbing someone, then you stand up in the gallery and scream accusing the lawyer of being a murderer because he said the accused stabbed the victim, rather than shot the victim. Ridiculous right? That's what you're doing.
Your saying generally that being correct, accurate and precise with the nature of the crime means the lawyers, judge, medical practitioners testifying and anyone with a loose awareness of standards and terminology are murderers in my analogy.
Did you know there is an entire section in wikipedia on various forms of chronophilia You better report the researchers, the writers of the articles, the publishers of textbooks, the entire psychology profession and anyone who clicked that link for sex crimes against children.
Your bigotry is insane. Get help.
Ok, you caught me. I'm prejudiced against pedophiles and pedophile enablers, and I'm not sorry. If that offends you, I assume you're a member of one of those two groups, and I don't want to continue talking with you. I suppose that's a sort of bigotry, but I'm not really worried what you think or what offends pedophiles and pedophile enablers.
Get help. You baselessly accuse others and definitely doth protest too much.
I didn't accuse you of anything. I said people who defend pedophiles are bad people. You jumped in to be like "No, we're not!" If what I said offended you because I said I don't like pedophile enablers (or pedophiles), then that's you telling on yourself.
In the same blurb where you claim you didn't accuse me, you accuse me, while continuously mischaracterizing everything said. Welcome to the ban list. Bye bye!
Again, I didn't accuse you of shit. I said pedophile enablers are bad people, and you volunteered to be offended. That's on you if you felt accused of being shitty. If that's what you're about, then I really don't care what you think of what I said.
Can't wait to try these words at the next Scrabble game.
Just like the difference between a scientific theory and a layman's theory!
Another technical aspect: all of the philias relate to attraction to something, rather than having sex with it.
One could have necrophilia and yet never have sex with a corpse or not have necrophilia and still have sex with a corpse.
Yep. I don't care if he's a pedophile, not, or something else entirely. He is a rapist and child sexual abuser.
Perhaps also a trafficker
And presumably one could have sex with a corpse yet not be attracted to it.
I'd say there's nothing inherently wrong with any of these. It's the child trafficking and child molestation that's the issue.
This is this person's view, who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like, he liked 15-year-old girls. And I realized this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts, that he wasn't into, like, 8-year-olds. But he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby.
One of the girls Trump is accused of raping was 12. Not a teen.
Conservatives are compelled by cognitive dissonance to argue for this distinction because all the men they know like to ride a very fine legally-defined line.
Not all. Some prefer riding over state lines.
This is the sort of intellectual discussions that you miss out on if you're a woke leftist.
Well it sure does if they are under aged which they were.