He doesn't really have another option right now. I'm not aware of an NYC red guard that could whole-sale replace the NYPD, the Mayor also can't unilaterally fire and replace the NYPD. So what should he do?
I'd rather him work on his social agenda.
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Nobody is talking about him replacing the entire NYPD?
He can replace what he can replace. And he can replace her. Knowingly keeping corrupt people with Nazi-like ideology in charge means not being willing to fight.
He doesn't really have another option right now.
How about nobody? How about abolish the police? ACAB even when they're controlled by social democrats.
How about abolish the police?
He literally cannot do that.
Can he illegally try? Can he approximate police abolition or set New York on a path towards it? Can he attempt to approximate that? Can he even attempt to approximate not being a pro-cop Zionist?
He dropped defund the police from his platform back when he was campaigning. Did you miss that?
No I didn't lol, I've been skeptical of him since day 1
He has exactly the same capability of abolishing the NYPD as you do. You are welcome to go and start "abolishing" individual NYPD members. But I don't think you'll have much success. What Mamdani can do, and I hope will do, is improve material conditions for enough new yorkers, that various city-council members will be replaced with workers that can actually start defunding the NYPD and reforming what policing is in NYC.
I mean he could say "we're gonna fire the whole-ass NYPD on January 1st". Because we both know he's gonna get walked back from the most liberatory position, so you might as well start with the most liberatory position possible if you're going into reformist politics, i.e. reformism benefits from the door-in-the-face technique.
What Mamdani can do, and I hope will do, is improve material conditions for enough new yorkers, that various city-council members will be replaced with workers that can actually start defunding the NYPD and reforming what policing is in NYC.
I mean if we replace "reforming what policing is in NYC" by "abolishing the NYPD and forming free community defense organizations in finite time" then yeah I'm with you. I always do hope that reformists like Mamdani get crumbs for the working class, but basically this always happens:
hey man. don't let your reality get in the way of my delusional ideology where abolishing the police will solve all social problems and criminality doesn't exist if there are no police to arrest you.
You're arguing against a strawman. See the final chapter of Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams for more details on possible alternatives, including historical examples. And the whole book makes a compelling, intricately cited argument for police abolition.
The fact is, the police do provide an important community service—offering protection against crime. They do not do this job well, or fairly, and it is not their chief function, but they do it, and it brings them legitimacy.[1584] Even people who dislike and fear them often feel that they need the cops. Maybe we can do without omnipresent surveillance, racial profiling, and institutionalized violence, but most people have been willing to accept these features of policing, if somewhat grudgingly, because they have been packaged together with things we cannot do without—crime control, security, and public safety. It is not enough, then, to relate to police power only in terms of repression; we must also remember the promise of protection, since this legitimates the institution.
Because the state uses this protective function to justify its own violence, the replacement of the police institution is not only a goal of social change, but also a means of achieving it. The challenge is to create another system that can protect us from crime, and can do so better, more justly, with a respect for human rights, and with a minimum of bullying. What is needed, in short, is a shift in the responsibility for public safety—away from the state and toward the community.
It should be noted that Williams is working under a tweaked definition of "crime" in this context, a phenomenon that anarchists do not deny exists.
The point here is that the standards I want to appeal to in invoking the idea of crime are not the state’s standards, but the community’s—and, specifically, the community’s standards as they relate to justice, rights, personal safety, and perhaps especially the question of violence.
All emphases mine.
i'm not arguing.
i'm making a sarcastic comment.
You: Calls me delusional
Me: provide evidence that I understand the situation as well as you do
You: Yeah well I never cared, I just wanted to be a douchebag without consequences
I see ya
delusional people tend to make up and cherry pick evidence to support their delusions, yes.
but you go ahead and abolish the NYPD yourself? Since mandani isn't going to do it for you.
Then go read what I posted and show us which part of what I said is a delusion, or shut the fuck up.
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but you go ahead and abolish the NYPD yourself? Since mandani isn't going to do it for you.
Actually that is the more realistic outcome IMO, i.e. the community in New York getting together and abolishing the NYPD from the bottom up, because a system designed to uphold capitalism, racism, and colonialism will never be used to truly abolish those forms of domination. Frankly, Mamdani "abolishing" the police with his pen would neither be sufficient nor necessary to practically abolish the NYPD, but it would be a nice symbolic gesture.
nah, i'd rather not be harassed into silence by some ideaolog who is objectively wrong.
but again, please go tell mandani to abolish the police. are you even a nyc resident? at least then he would have some obligation to listen to you.
i'm not a nyc resident, so my opinion on what mandani should do is utterly pointless to express, other than jerking myself off about it.
nah, i'd rather not be harassed into silence by some ideaolog who is objectively wrong.
Yeah me too buddy, same with everyone else, which is why centrist ideologues like you pretend like you don't have an ideology or that your views are just common sense.
Like I'm absolutely thrilled to have constructive discussions about our disagreements, but if you want to start a pissing match then I will 1000000% flood you with piss, whatever amount of piss is required for you to learn not to do it again.
I came to say this. You don't come in like trump and get rid of professionals because of their political views. You want anyone at any particular positions to be good at their jobs. You set policy anyway.
you mean he demonstrates smart and sensible leadership? rather than being a dogmatic fool who dismissed people based on their political/personal alignment with his own beliefs?
he's clearly a zionist.
Social Democrat betrays the working class. In equally novel news, the Sun rose this morning.
Where are the leopardsatemyface cucks, now?
Who was the better option?
That's what Republicans said about voting Trump too.
Let's say you were offered some food, but it turns out to be a piece of warm dogshit with a little post-it note reading "if you eat this a palestinian child dies"
Do you dig in
Cool reply. I know you're not the OP, but who do you think was the better option?
You are actively campaigning for a Zionist politician. Right now, here in this space. You are not some gust of wind. We all know what you are. The only reply from you that would ever be cool would be posting your full address &or banking information. Impress me
I never said I supported him, you're making generalizations. I asked who you thought was a better option, and you don't want to seem to answer that.
You're not supporting him, just spending time telling people about how it's their moral obligation to vote for him. Are you going to keep up this little I'm-not-touching-you act, or are you going to confront the way you're actively devoting energy to a Zionist political campaign? The premise of what you're saying, that voters need to serve the democrats, that they are required to eat the least smelly turd, is so stupid that nobody takes your party seriously for a second unless a Muslim is running for office during a genocide of Muslims and keeps his mouth shut about how much he loves Zionists for five fucking seconds, because you people are genuinely so groveling and pathetic that you willingly convince yourself this should matter. It is a waste of time and energy, and it is reproducing the political structure that has enacted so many genocides & systematically impoverished the globe.
New Yorkers should be mature and leave the country. Thanks for asking. You have your assignment now.
LOL what? Where did I say it was someone's moral obligation to vote for him, or any of the other things you're claiming I'm doing? I asked a question and you're hallucinating worse than a bad AI bot.
You really think other people are too stupid to make inferences from what you're saying. It's flagrantly obvious what you're doing by pestering people asking "where is your alternative". We're not railroaded into supporting one of several Zionist politicians. We can spend our time however we like. You just suck at spending yours. Don't go telling people to waste theirs on a social democrat because it's the "best option"
You're not making inferences, you're making assumptions, and there's a massive difference.
Your better option to voting for Zohran Mamdani is reading a book or preferably leaving your genocidal settler country where you whine about how hard it is to make enough money to enter the housing market subsidized by the global financial system that runs on debt and poverty. I already directly answered your question. The only possible "upsides" of Zohran are rent and wage stabilization, in a country that needs land reform, and a complete overhaul of its government especially justice system. Insane to talk like this while shoving kids into camps and poisoning Gaza's water supply. You're all shifty and incapable of speaking straight, just like the Israelis. It's not just a settler state thing but it is particularly settlerful 🤠
As an aside did you go to McDonalds in the past 3 years?
Its been like 4 days since he was elected.
Why are you throwing pointless purity tests at the dude who is 80% aligned with your policies? Why not go after the dudes who are 0% aligned with your policies?
This is fucking dumb. He's a mayor, not king of fucking new York
Notice how all criticism is a "purity test" or "gatekeeping" for Liberals.
You're the one missing the point. Politicians sell out to get into their positions. We don't want concessions from a minority in power, the people must be in power. Mamdani led with rhetoric that he would upset that somehow, and is already giving every indication of compromising on every meaningful front. This may be your first rodeo but it's not ours.
Lol how much power do you think a mayor actually has? Everything he does is going to be anuphill legal battle. He's like the only leftist in new York politics
He's the equivalent of the federal President at the municipal level. Appointments, veto power, managing the entire bureaucracy, plus the bully pulpit with a national platform at this point. And he's already squandering it before he's even in office. More power than anyone else in NYC.
What is the "Lol" about? You want to have a conversation where you just trash somebody else, then get lost.
Why is the NYPD chief's opinion of Israel relevant to the job?
Because the NYPD works with Israel.
Yeah, someone who actively supports genocide with not only a gun and license to kill, but in charge of all the other state thugs. As a famous bobcat once said, what could possibly go wrong?
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