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Most Christians who know anything about the bible would say this is just a letter from Paul to Timothy on how to run the church in Ephesus, and not a doctrinal command from god.
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I believe in the Bible. In fact, it's one of the best selling publications of all time.
There's no need to believe in the Bible, it exists, you can hold it in your hands. Believing in it is pointless.
Seeing is believing
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Knowing the context of this passage is important. This passage is not God speaking to his people, it's the Apostle Paul telling Timothy how to run a church. It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy's ministry.
Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show and Paul was telling Timothy that women and sex should not be the thing that draws in people whom he intended to minister too. He suggested they cover up and hide their heads and remain quiet and not be the focus of the moment because he should want to distance himself from what amounts to orgies in the area.
~former member of the church
priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show
So you're telling me we could have had a timeline where sunday's mass would essentially be a strip show?
So why are there directives on how to run a church in the official doctrine of this religion? If they're only meant to be relevant to Timothy, shouldn't they have been cut with the rest of the apocrypha?
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It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy’s ministry.
That is disingenous, because the Pauline epistles are definitely part of canonical bible scripture in almost all denominations, and has been used as such by Christians as well in the past.
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I'm a strong atheist but I really hate when people cherry pick bible verses to support an argument either for or against.
It's stupid when Christians do it and it's stupid when we do it.
It's not even that it's a bad argument technique, which it is, it's something exclusively done in bad faith to attempt to dunk on someone who isn't going to interpret it that way anyway.
By the time people are pulling out Bible verses the entire exchange has turned into a dick measuring contest from which nothing will be gained.
It's not a bad argument technique to pull out the actual primary document and examine it. You can take small portions of a document in a fair minded fashion and examine it without deliberately being misleading or taking it out of context.
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Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show
That is hard to believe and sound more like a post hoc rationalisation. Did you get this context from a good source, or was it a partial one, like a christian minister?
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Here's a good response:
"Shut it rib."