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submitted 11 months ago by admin@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

I just received my invite code today and took a quick look around the app. Like Mastodon I do not prefer microblogging platforms. And that's all I know about Bluesky.

So, what can you tell me about this project?

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 22 points 11 months ago

It's great if you liked old Twitter (2016ish) or you're a furry. It's very furry-heavy though because the furry community is very tight-knit and so invites got passed around like candy for a while.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

Been my experience that mastodon is chock full of furries too. So much of it gets posted on the art centric server I’m on. Had to create multiple filters for it.

[-] emerald@beehaw.org 20 points 11 months ago

It's caused by refraction of the sun's light by the atmosphere

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago

It's actually caused by scattering of the light in the atmosphere not refraction. Refraction is what makes rainbows tho.

[-] dbilitated@aussie.zone 4 points 11 months ago

The best kind of correct.

[-] shellsharks@infosec.pub 15 points 11 months ago

It’s a microblogging service (similar to Twitter), ran by a small dev team and backed by Jack Dorsey (of Twitter origin). It’s been in “invite-only” closed beta forever so it has never really gone super mainstream. Some communities have kinda made their way over there but for the most part it seems threads and mastodon will run away with things in terms of being heirs to Twitter (imo). Bluesky is building their own platform (AT) that will allow others to stand up their own “bluesky” instances that federate with each other, similar to how mastodon works on the Fediverse with ActivityPub. Not sure what the progress is with that but am skeptical it will ever actually be a popular choice given the success of AP/Fediverse and the fact that threads and other large platforms (Wordpress, Tumblr, etc…) have already implemented or committed to building in AP support.

[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 11 months ago

Could Bluesky not just implement ActivityPub too? Is there a reason why they are not doing that?

[-] jmbmkn@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

They chose not to after researching options. Pretty sure they decides account portability was a key feature needed and AP doesn''t do this. As in taking your account and all your posts and data witj you to a new server. I assume there is a technical reason why this would be very difficult to add to AP/Mastodon otherwise they could have just added it themselves.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah the not being able to fully move your account and all its history is one of the biggest shortcomings of AP for me. I hope they shore that up eventually.

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[-] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

They could but they are developing their own protocol.

https://atproto.com/guides/faq#why-not-use-activitypub

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

AT is not truly decentralized like activitypub. It's similar to crypto where the majority stakeholder (in this case, bluesky the for profit company) controls the network. There are not "instances" run by community leaders, just free hosting.

[-] shellsharks@infosec.pub 3 points 11 months ago

Ah interesting. One more in the “negative” column for Bluesky then imo. What Mastodon gets right (perhaps in a sea of things that it gets wrong) is that it relies on people to build and maintain their communities, rather than hoping that technology can solve all the issues of moderation, etc… Yeah, there are improvements that we hope will get to AP. It’s obvious bsky is just not the future.

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[-] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

This is the best reply so far. Also worth mentioning both the platform and the protocol are open source.

https://github.com/bluesky-social

[-] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 13 points 11 months ago

It's just Twitter run by the old CEO. There's some promises that it's going to be decentralized at some point, but no real motion towards that yet AFAIK. Anyone on the Fediverse should just pick Firefish or Mastodon over it.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Bluesky is "decentralized" in the way that crypto is in that the biggest fish (bluesky.social) controls everything.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago

Jack doesn't have a majority on the board, he's not even on the site anymore (deleted his account and ran off to nostr)

https://slrpnk.net/comment/3988061

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

and misskey over firefish :)

[-] wagoner@infosec.pub 12 points 11 months ago

If you don't like micro blogging then you won't like this micro blogging site. That's all you need to know!

[-] Banzai51@midwest.social 11 points 11 months ago

A twitter replacement made by one of Twitter's founders that completely missed its shot to be relevant by not releasing during the early chaos of the muskrat's rein. And then when they finally did release, it was iPhone only, so everyone shrugged and ignored it.

[-] psudo@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I heard it was pretty much twitter with even less moderation, but it's a smaller so you're slightly less likely to run into open neo nazis, but only slightly. I only have hearsay to go on, as it never really interested me, but most of the people I know that went to it have stayed.

[-] ninchuka@lemmy.one 8 points 11 months ago

From what I saw it was quite left leaning when I used it

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah honestly hearing it describes as being full of neo Nazis is wild lol, it's almost more left leaning than Lemmy

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[-] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

A lot of people here are being cynical about it, and to be fair I totally get being suspicious of corporate platforms, but these places are at least half as much about the userbase than they are about the owners. So far it seems to be a much more chill place even compared to Lemmy. People there talk much more about things they are passionate about than having endless toxic arguments, and the general atmosphere there seems pretty open to diversity, as far as I see.

But if you don't care for microblogging I don't think that will change your mind.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago

Mastodon has significantly more active and diverse users than BS and none of the garbage.

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but it's "confusing", and "not owned by some rent-seeking narcissist", so no one seems to care.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

i like bluesky a bit more because of the interface - it's twitter without the anti trans harassment (so far) or elon. plus it's where most of my romance book community ended up.

i do like the trans community on mastodon a bit more though, even though i think the mastodon interface is a bit lagging. and it wins in interface over threads but it loses in terms of the fact that threads got more of the mainstream users that i follow.

i like the ability to use your own domain name as a handle though. i wish threads and mastodon would take it.

and the lists feature on bluesky is fantastic. i still use all three though and i hate elon for making it so i have to now that he's just made social media so fractured

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's initials are BS and so are their promises. Anyone thinking it isn't just going to become twitter in a year are sorely mistaken.

[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago

I'd love to try it, if they'd ever give me an invite code. Twitter was pretty cool back in the day and I'd like something similar as a place to post what I'm working on.

[-] milan@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago

Since you are already hanging out here, why not give Mastodon a fair try :)

[-] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

Every Mastodon client I have tried to use is way too confusing. There are plenty of people using it, but it feels like a wasteland because connecting with people is too high friction. Maybe I'm using it wrong /:

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[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There was a mass migration of furries to Bluesky recently, they now have a sizable presence there. Enough so to make you wonder if that's what it's intended for, unless you just stick to the "For You" or "Discover* feed.

I'm sure Jack Dorsey had this envisioned the whole time

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[-] airportline@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'd say that it is the Twitter clone with the best chance at replacing Twitter. It already feels like Twitter (in a good way).

It's still invite only but everyone has an excess of invite codes at this point.

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

It already feels like Twitter.

Still full of Nazis then, I take it?

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[-] UngodlyAudrey@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

It's alright, just basically Twitter 2. It's useful for some things. A lot of creatives chose to migrate there, which is nice so that I can network with fellow Twitch streamers and keep up with news on the platform. As much as I like Mastodon, I just wasn't getting that there. It's also nice that a bunch of artists I used to follow are there.

[-] pixelpop3@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

A few podcasts I listen to have switched to calling their bluesky handles out instead of their twitter handles in their outros. I'll probably install it and delete ex/twitter when I get an invite.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 12 points 11 months ago

Go with Mastodon. Bluesky is just Twitter but run by crypto fanatics. It's not decentralized or nonprofit or safeguarded against enshittification.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 8 points 11 months ago

They're not cryptocurrency fanatics. None of the project relies on cryptocurrency tech. Even Jack himself deleted his account and ran off to nostr.

Bluesky uses a model with user identities based on cryptographic keypairs, posts held in a personal account repository (git-like), and posts use content addressing (hash ID of posts), and everything is portable so you can move your account between host servers without breaking any references.

Federation is up in the sandbox environment with 3rd party implementations participating.

It's more robust against enshittification than your average Mastodon server

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

First of all, "enshittification" refers to monopolistic business practices, not... account portability or whatever you're trying to say. It can't be engineered away. Mastodon (the company) is nonprofit, BlueSky is for-profit. Furthermore, unlike Mastodon, there is no functional difference between BS servers, so the "freedom" to change is a moot point when bluesky (the company) controls everything.

Also the CEO cut her fintech teeth on cryptocurrency. Saying she's not a fan of crypto is just plain wrong.

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