This is really great (and by great I mean terrifying to see it all laid out plainly). The only nitpick is the idea that the model "is coming to europe next" ... as if this whole thing wasn't kicked off by Brexit and the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Europe was the testing bed for this a decade or more ago.
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yep, there is a blind spot around imperialism; the European bourgeoisie come to the US to learn what the business ant the politic shall be made and come back with the US point of view. For example in France, the spokeswoman of the Parti Socialist (one of the main party) is working for Palantir.
This is not an exception, every administration run windows for millions each years, even if their is a dedicated administration to go to open source
Yeah Brexit was a test run. Great Summary by Carole Cadwalladr "The great British Brexit Robbery" (published by the Guardian, de-published following pressure by Google, I guess, but can be found on the net).
I was completely spooked by the fact that these Brexiteers were using language in a Nazi-like way. At one point a former Thatcher minister was booed out of a conservative party assembly which shouted "he is a traitor!".
Somebody was like, "this is all horseshit. Ima map it."
How uplifting
The root cause of everything bad, the error of errors, is to have private property of the means of production. Without it, we'd have a wealthy, technologically advanced civilization within planetary boundaries. Socialism first!
Beam me up, Mr.Curry.
Amen, brother. But, unfortunately, most people around here finds it easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
Or we could have politicians that do their jobs. Socialism doesnt fix any of these issues.
Companies will act just as degenerate when all their employees depend on its success and if you're one of the socialism except state controlled thats even worse because you put all your eggs in that basket and if the government is bad you're fucked. Look at what trump is doing as an example of how that could go.
Yes it does, FOSS is socialist
I dont think Foss is Socialist. Foss can be but generally isnt. 11
Because ?
Because ownership is not distributed amongst the workers.
To me this seems like any other big gov procurment. Which is bad of course but isn't anything new. And I fail to see how this leads to authoritarinism especially in Europe. We have our own local home grown cliques that capture gov contracts.
I'm no expert, but the issue here seems to be replacing many smaller contracts with one big one for Palantir. I. E., one agenda headed in one dark direction.
But what do I know?
Honestly I don't know what would be the difference if this was a contract with Oracle, Microsoft, SAP etc. That is democratic stack?
I guess the crows are coming home to roost in that the owners of these companies are prepared to use them as leverage (starlink) and also are more comfortable airing some pretty wild views of how they think the world should work (Thiel with his Antichrist obsession, Ellison with his ideas for a surveillance state, The general tech bro Curtis Yarvin worship).
Start joining the dots and it starts becoming hard not to be concerned where this is headed.
I'd be concerned regardless of the companies they partner with, or if it's completely government controlled.
The problem is the surveillance itself. It stated decades ago, accelerated under Bush, and has expanded with each administration since.
That is true that these aren't faceless corpos but behind there are men who are out in public.
that's how pretty much all business works though.
as your company grows it's preferable to have fewer larger providers for services. when you are small you have multiple vendors.
largerly because the vendors that provide extensive services.... cater to larger companies, not smaller ones.
We have our own local home grown cliques that capture gov contracts.
Yes. If you scroll to the bottom, you find that the project is led by Prof. Francesca Bria.
Looking her up on Wikipedia, one has 2 thoughts: 1) She has a lot of hustle. 2) Why haven't I heard about any of that?
This is just the Monorail Man doing the song. Except with disturbingly fascist overtones.
yeah her bio looks like a lot of EU funds for various projects that are POC and then shelved. US big tech is basically her natural enemy in that regard.
because calling it authoritarianism makes it sound big and scary.... and make sit sound like a battle of good vs evil for all time.
what you are describing... which is simply the routine processes that have gone on for 100s of years in governments... isn't big and scary.
people like this need to look up the Dutch East India company.
that have gone on for 100s of years in governments… isn’t big and scary
When I look back there's several things I find scary. We've had better decades, and I didn't want to go back.
Pointing these things out and running alarm bells is important. That is a systematic recurring problem doesn't change anything about the problems at hand.
Are you saying "there have been things like this before so we should see it as normal and not do anything about it or point it out"?
No, I'm saying people are stupid and ignorant and it's not some big conspiracy. It's just business.